Every GM Drafting rankings over thier tenure

[Davidson Deac II]

1 minute ago, heel31ok said:

We are in 3 yr window...after that we are looking at pretty much a total rebuild and brand new team...

I don't agree.  If Norv Turner is the great one as you say, he should be able to teach Cam how to not take so many hits, which means he will be around for a while.  And if you have a good qb, you can compete.  And besides, if you have a good GM, you don't have to rebuild.

[heel31ok]

Just now, Davidson Deac II said:

I don't agree.  If Norv Turner is the great one as you say, he should be able to teach Cam how to not take so many hits, which means he will be around for a while.  And if you have a good qb, you can compete.  And besides, if you have a good GM, you don't have to rebuild.

Its the circle of life in the NFL...we will have to no matter what...

[Car123]

18 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Maybe he did,  although Seifert had the final say.  And Gettleman's picks and free agent pickups were a catalyst for our 2015 sb run.  Tolbert, Ginn, Tillman, Harper, etc...  

Tolbert was a Hurney signing.

[X-Clown]

2 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

Man, I don't think many GM's hit after round 2 in that draft. 1st round was very loaded, but after that the talent becomes average at best.

The only reason we didn't have a 2nd round pick was because Hurney traded it for Armanti Edwards. Torrey Smith, Randall Cobb and Marcus Gilbert could have been options for us.

But if you insist on just looking at the 3rd round or after:

Seattle drafted KJ Wright, Richard Sherman, Byron Maxwell, Super Bowl MVP Malcolm Smith and got Doug Baldwin and Ron Parker as UDFAs

Eagles drafted Jason Kelce and Dion Lewis

KC drafted Justin Houston

Tennesse drafted Jurell Casey

Cowboys drafted Demarco Murray

Denver drafted Julius Thomas

49ers drafted Daniel Kilgore, got Chris Hogan as a UDFA (and even got Colin Jones in the 6th who is at least useful on special teams)

Patriots drafted Marcus Cannon

Ravens drafted Pernell McPhee and Tyrod Taylor

Jets drafted Jeremy Kerley

Denver got Chris Harris as a UDFA

Chicago got Mario Addison as a UDFA

The most impactful player we walked away with from that year after drafting Cam was Byron Bell.

[Davidson Deac II]

57 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Tolbert was a Hurney signing.

You are correct, my mistake.

 

Even so, a lot key personnel in our 2015 run were signed by Gettleman.  

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't care whether PFF or PFF style analysis agrees with me or not. I find it worthless either way.

This is no different, and someone else already pointed out one of the flaws in the methodology (specifically, that GMs who built losing teams draft higher, inflating the supposed value).

I am not a PFF fan either and most stats have some methodology flaws when it moves from the laboratory to real life but it beats pure speculation and opinion which most times has less to support it than these type articles.

[TheCasillas]

1 hour ago, X-Clown said:

The only reason we didn't have a 2nd round pick was because Hurney traded it for Armanti Edwards. Torrey Smith, Randall Cobb and Marcus Gilbert could have been options for us.

But if you insist on just looking at the 3rd round or after:

Seattle drafted KJ Wright, Richard Sherman, Byron Maxwell, Super Bowl MVP Malcolm Smith and got Doug Baldwin and Ron Parker as UDFAs

Eagles drafted Jason Kelce and Dion Lewis

KC drafted Justin Houston

Tennesse drafted Jurell Casey

Cowboys drafted Demarco Murray

Denver drafted Julius Thomas

49ers drafted Daniel Kilgore, got Chris Hogan as a UDFA (and even got Colin Jones in the 6th who is at least useful on special teams)

Patriots drafted Marcus Cannon

Ravens drafted Pernell McPhee and Tyrod Taylor

Jets drafted Jeremy Kerley

Denver got Chris Harris as a UDFA

Chicago got Mario Addison as a UDFA

The most impactful player we walked away with from that year after drafting Cam was Byron Bell.

You listed 21 players...... that’s it? You can do exactly what you just did for every draft. That list by no means proves that 2011 was the most talented draft ever....... and a fourth of those players weren’t drafted......

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, X-Clown said:

The only reason we didn't have a 2nd round pick was because Hurney traded it for Armanti Edwards. Torrey Smith, Randall Cobb and Marcus Gilbert could have been options for us.

But if you insist on just looking at the 3rd round or after:

Seattle drafted KJ Wright, Richard Sherman, Byron Maxwell, Super Bowl MVP Malcolm Smith and got Doug Baldwin and Ron Parker as UDFAs

Eagles drafted Jason Kelce and Dion Lewis

KC drafted Justin Houston

Tennesse drafted Jurell Casey

Cowboys drafted Demarco Murray

Denver drafted Julius Thomas

49ers drafted Daniel Kilgore, got Chris Hogan as a UDFA (and even got Colin Jones in the 6th who is at least useful on special teams)

Patriots drafted Marcus Cannon

Ravens drafted Pernell McPhee and Tyrod Taylor

Jets drafted Jeremy Kerley

Denver got Chris Harris as a UDFA

Chicago got Mario Addison as a UDFA

The most impactful player we walked away with from that year after drafting Cam was Byron Bell.

You can always do the after the fact draft analysis and make any GM look bad. In 2000 every GM in the league passed on Tom Brady at least 5 times. I guess it proves they all suck at picking quarterbacks.... Right?

[NanuqoftheNorth]

I use this obscure metric to judge my team's GM, it's called winning.

By that metric Hurney's last four seasons were a failure.

Furthermore,  having been GM for more than a decade, Marty managed a grand total of three winning seasons.

Calling Marty Hurney a mediocre GM would be an insult to mediocre people everywhere and throughout the entire course of human existence.

[WOW!!]

1 minute ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

I use this obscure metric to judge my team's GM by, it's called winning.

By that metric Hurney's last four seasons were a failure.

Furthermore,  having been GM for more than a decade, Marty managed a grand total of three winning seasons.

Calling Marty Hurney a mediocre GM would be an insult to mediocrity everywhere.

That's dumb as fug... Because a GM doesn't throw or catch a ball or decide who does on game day.. So Hurney takes blame for Fox and Jerry having a fall out and Fox not giving a poo in 2010?? Ultimate team sport should no player or GM alone be graded by Win loss stats...

[NanuqoftheNorth]

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

That's dumb as fug... Because a GM doesn't throw or catch a ball or decide who does on game day.. So Hurney takes blame for Fox and Jerry having a fall out and Fox not giving a poo in 2010?? Ultimate team sport should no player or GM alone be graded by Win loss stats...

Four straight years of losing, 3 winning seasons out of ten.

At what point do you start holding the person tasked with being in charge of the franchise accountable?

[WOW!!]

1 minute ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Four straight years of losing, 3 winning seasons out of ten.

At what point do you start holding the person tasked with being in charge of the franchise accountable?

Add context to your rant... 4 years after having to rebuild a team and bringing in a new coaching staff... Did you not expect some bad season after rebuilding???...  

[frash.exe]

it’s going to be fun watching the same ppl who criticized gettleman down to the way he wiped his ass make excuse after explanation for hurney in the next few months, because hurney as a GM has a way of making ppl try to pass off dumb arguments as sound logic. i know bc i posted on here in 2009.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

9 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Add context to your rant... 4 years after having to rebuild a team and bringing in a new coaching staff... Did you not expect some bad season after rebuilding???...  

Yeah, like no other team has had to rebuild.  

A full decade as GM and only three winning seasons to show for it.

Marty actually got worse as time went by, not better.

When do you hold a GM accountable for their failure to field a winning team more than 1/3 of the time?

After a decade, maybe two or three decades? 

Too soon? 

Maybe Marty should just be given a lifetime guaranteed contract as GM? 

Would that even satisfy you?

How about in perpetuity?

Chances are Hurney's winning percentage would likely improve in the afterlife.  It certainly couldn't get much worse.