Marty Hurney Has Been Reinstated

[CPantherKing]

Hurney has a proven record of finding the best talent in the NFL and positioning a team for a successful window. He has built the Panthers twice.

I enjoyed the core built in 2002/2003 and I am enjoying the core built in 2011/2012.

I have not enjoyed JRs fight for the CBA in 2010 or the Gettleman draft era depleting the franchise of young talented leaders from 2013 to 2016. Thankfully, the young talented leaders Hurney put in place prior to 2013 look like they may have enough in the tank to allow Hurney a 2 to 3 year window to rapidly infuse the young talent Gettleman sadly refused to supply.

Be glad you have a GM who can find players like Peppers, Cam, Luke, Olsen, R. Kalil, Smitty, Gross, Norman, Stewart, and TD. So much better than Ealy, Webb, Klein, Dickson, Larsen, Funchess, Oher, Badberry, CAP and Shaq.

I will still be waiting years to see Gettleman find a player who can consistently dominate/change a game for the Giants. I am glad that wait will not be for the Panthers.

[JawnyBlaze]

10 hours ago, thomas96 said:

If Hurney runs the draft this year it's pretty damn certain we'll get a stud in the first round... After that, I wouldn't get my hopes up. But maybe we can get another Josh or Hardy.

Yea, I was saying we’d probably get one good player either way but at least with the huddle guy we wouldn’t be risking losing picks next year to draft armanti Edwards 2.0 in the second or anything like that

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

I’ll try but you seem set in your ways right now. 

Whoever is technically hired as “permanent GM” will still really only be here in the interim until new ownership brings in their own people. Hurney has already built and developed a relationship with most of the staff here and can just get right to doing the GM work in the interim. If a new GM was hired instead, the amount of groundwork required to get him up to speed with our staff, front office, scouts, etc. would be a significant setback and there is absolutely a legitimate argument that having Hurney stay here until new owner brings his own staff in is the best option for the team’s success. 

IF I believed that whoever we “hire” would actually last into the new ownership and actually be more or less permanent, then I’d be as adamant as you about not keeping Hurney. But that’s just not how I read the situation and there’s nothing to suggest that whoever we hire now will last, and plenty of evidence throughout history that suggests he won’t. 

You can argue that hiring Dawson or Rayes for 6-9 months and having them run the draft and FA instead of Hurney outweighs the learning curve and relationship building period struggles, and I wouldn’t say you’d be wrong necessarily. But there are arguments both ways and constantly bitching about it here and being as over the top as you are has gotten to be completely ridiculous and tiring.

And again, we go with the assumption that the new owner is automatically going to fire whoever is the GM at the time. 

We don't know that. Heck, we can't even assume that the new owner is going to fire Marty Hurney. We expect it because nearly everybody outside of Jerry Richardson knows that Hurney is lousy at his job, but even that's not guaranteed.

If we really believe he's just going to fire the GM regardless, then what's to say he won't also fire Ron Rivera or dump Cam Newton? "But it'd be dumb to dump Newton" I'm sure someone will say. Well, if the GM is doing a good job, it would be dumb to dump them too.

This year's season counts. This year's draft counts. This year's free-agent decisions will count. And the effects of every one of those things will last beyond the next nine months.

If you're comfortable wasting another of Cam and Luke's good years while also tanking the final season for Ryan Kalil, Thomas Davis and Julius Peppers, then so be it. I'm not. And I'm not in favor of bypassing a guy who could be a good GM for years to come just because a new owner might fire him.

A new owner might fire everybody. You can't make decisions based on that possibility.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, pantherclaw said:

I know it would be a gigantic waste of time, energy, and a mistake to pick a different GM, only to have to change GM again once new ownership has settled in.

None of the other candidates have ever been a GM so whoever is hired is going to be in a steep learning curve with no guarantee of long term employment. If we can attract this many guys right now, imagine what we might attract down the road with a new owner and hopefully some stability.  Why settle for a newby and have to train him and suffer through the inevitable mistakes any new guy makes when Hurney has studied us for 5 years and interviewed hundreds of smart football guys and had Gettleman to watch and learn from. He is not the village idiot critics want to cast him to be and in 14 years the first time around who wouldn't have a number of mistakes and gaffes along the road. Those pushing for a new guy are right in not wanting Hurney long term but are jumping the gun and bound to be disappointed if Hurney's stays. In any case Richardson is going to make the decision and loyalty aside it will be in his estimate the guy who will guarantee he makes the most money he can. Money is his only consolation prize to make up for being disgraced and forced to sell the team he loves. As for the lawsuits and punishment that everyone thinks is coming, get real, JR will keep this in court until after he is gone and buried. He isn't going to jail or lose his money. At least not enough to dent the billion plus he is getting in a few months. (2.3 billion  x 49%).  Much ado about nothing.

[Mr. Scot]

14 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

None of the other candidates have ever been a GM so whoever is hired is going to be in a steep learning curve with no guarantee of long term employment.

Guess who hasn't done their research?

[pantherclaw]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

The problem with that notion is that it's not guaranteed a new owner will fire the GM, not even with Hurney.

That's basically like saying "well we may as well not have a coach since the new owner's going to fire him anyway".

It saddens me to know that common sense has left you. 

[panthers55]

28 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Guess who hasn't done their research?

I suspect you do know more about the candidates. I seem to have much less time to research than you. I appreciate that aspect of your posts and information you provide. Where we always seem to collide is the interpretation  of that information which reflects our different perspective on the present and future of the Panthers. You see morons, idiots and perverts and I see Hurney seeking redemption and Richardson cashing out not wanting to rock the boat until he can make his last big deal. Anything Richardson does now is about making stuff go away until after the sale. Any new guy coming in isn't going to be able to do anything until after the sale. At least Richardson trusts Hurney and will let him make football decisions. And who knows if they pick someone else then all the speculation about who is in charge may have to be reexamined. I like your info but don't always agree on the commentary. You used to be the voice of reason, now you're becoming the unreasonable voice.

[RealisticPanther]

I agree with panthers55, ever since you said larry fitzgerald is a better player than steve smith that was it for me. There's a reason Fitzgerald was never double covered and wasnt game planned for as much by defensive coaches as steve smith. Because he wasn't as big of a threat aka not as good.

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I suspect you do know more about the candidates. I seem to have much less time to research than you. I appreciate that aspect of your posts and information you provide. Where we always seem to collide is the interpretation  of that information which reflects our different perspective on the present and future of the Panthers. You see morons, idiots and perverts and I see Hurney seeking redemption and Richardson cashing out not wanting to rock the boat until he can make his last big deal. Anything Richardson does now is about making stuff go away until after the sale. Any new guy coming in isn't going to be able to do anything until after the sale. At least Richardson trusts Hurney and will let him make football decisions. And who knows if they pick someone else then all the speculation about who is in charge may have to be reexamined. I like your info but don't always agree on the commentary. You used to be the voice of reason, now you're becoming the unreasonable voice.

It takes about ten seconds to google a name and look at their work history.

You want to tell me that you've sat here talking about who's best for a job without even knowing what jobs these guys had done before? Heck, you didn't even have to do the research yourself. I did it for ya. So did the Panthers when they posted their profiles.

You don't necessarily have to do thorough research, but if you're going to make judgments it's at least good to know what you're talking about.

[Paa Langfart]

In other words, one of the candidates ran the Lions into the ground as gm for a few years until he got canned.

[Mr. Scot]

Mayhew's not the only one.

Jimmy Raye worked as an interim GM between the time that the Colts fired Ryan Grigson and hired Chris Ballard.

Even beyond the GM title though, every other candidate has held an executive level personnel position for more than one team, something Marty Hurney never did.

[pantherclaw]

The splitting hairs is so fuging old. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

Ian Rapoport stated on NFL ACCESS last night that Hurney is the clear favorite for GM position and announcement should come any day now. 

We need to accept this and move on. 

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

It takes about ten seconds to google a name and look at their work history.

You want to tell me that you've sat here talking about who's best for a job without even knowing what jobs these guys had done before? Heck, you didn't even have to do the research yourself. I did it for ya. So did the Panthers when they posted their profiles.

You don't necessarily have to do thorough research, but if you're going to make judgments it's at least good to know what you're talking about.

There you go again. I tried to give you praise and you go to the extreme characterization which seems your primary strategy these days. I said you knew more about them than I did but I did do research and know them. Which of these candidates have been general manager before.  And the issue. It is this draft and this offseason. And the plan is 90 % done.