Panthers continue to hold out for Hurney

[pantherclaw]

LOL

[heel31ok]

6 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

And I am definitely more optimistic with Turner as an OC than I was with Shula, however I fear that the change is too little, and might be too late.

Well then just hang on a minute...its not going to take long to find out...the draft will tell us how much influence he will have...

[heel31ok]

15 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

That is a good question, and there could be an answer if you consider the context.  What weapons did Cam have down the stretch this season?  CMC, Funchess (who was banged up), and....?

I agreed with the KB trade on paper.  However, we were on a playoff run and we were thin at WR, with Samuel, Byrd, etc.  sidelined with injury.  How did we get better?  In my opinion, he wanted to do something to turn heads--to make people realize he is back as the GM.

I think this:  He knew KB was in RR's doghouse (running wrong routes, conditioning, arguing with assistant coaches during game, etc).  He would get rid of that headache for RR and the decision to renew KB's  contract at once.  By doing this, he would re-forge that bond with RR by giving him a nice extension, knowing that RR would have a voice in the hiring process.  Marty is taking care of Marty...

He has a history of this--making desperate trades--offering future first rounders for immediate picks when his job was on the line....Giving crazy money to keep our free agents. 

 

 

I dont see much in that ...

[NJPanthers12]

24 minutes ago, NJPanthers12 said:

I still can't believe there have been fools on this board who have actually argued with me over the years to defend Jerry Richardson. So glad this jackass will no longer be associated with this franchise in the near future.

Example one. @thomas96 huge fool for supporting JR.

[MHS831]

30 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

I want to believe you, but I really feel the opposite of that for a number of reasons, some that have nothing to do with Hurney. I love the team, but I'm in a bit of a pessimistic mood and here's why:

• We have no leadership at the top of the organization. No owner, no real GM, nothing at the moment other than Tina.
• Cam hasn't been the same since his MVP season. He's hurt often, and taking too many hits, I worry about his longevity. Add onto that, he isn't the most prolific pure passer in the league and he relies on his running ability to make him a top threat at the position. While he shows flashes of being an elite passer, they are just that, flashes. At this point in his career, I would like to see more consistency while throwing from our franchise QB. Before the white knights come to defend Cam, I'm not saying he sucks, I'm saying he's inconsistent. 
• Our WR1 is a borderline WR1, but best suited as a WR2. I don't think he's garbage by any means, just not the best.
• We have no weapons for said QB other than an aging TE and a RB who is a legitimate slot receiver who was underutlized in our offensive scheme.
• Rivera plays not to lose instead of to win. It's caused us to blow leads numerous times and it's annoying
• We are changing both coordinator positions, and offensive installs specifically, take time. Time we don't have.
• The division has gotten stronger the past few years. We won it three in a row, but the saints knocked last year's draft out of the park, and Falcons were able to make it back to the playoffs last year after the super bowl, something we weren't able to do. 
• Speaking of the Saints, they swept us. That has nothing to do with next year, that just sucked.
• The defense is old and underperformed last year. Our second year corners also took a step backwards, as did Coleman. We have no long term solution in place to replace peppers or Addison if they drop off this year.
• We may have been 11-5 last year but we certainly played like an 8-8 team at best.
• Our schedule next season is absolutely brutal. 
• We have never had back to back winning records
• We have the ability to re-sign Norwell, but it would require Hurney to release his buddies Ryan Kalil and Stewart, who are both aging vets at the tail end of their careers, not great in their prime players. Nothing he has done in the past has given me any indication that he would make said moves for the betterment of the team, and that makes me a sad panda.

There are a few other reasons but they are escaping me at the moment. Either way, I'm less thrilled with the direction the team is heading after this season than I was at the beginning of last season. 

Great points, but logic does not work with that idiot.  The Rivera quote is correct--how many times did we lose or nearly lose 2-score leads in the fourth quarter?

 

[heel31ok]

2 minutes ago, NJPanthers12 said:

Example one. @thomas96 huge fool for supporting JR.

Not if he has reasons...instead of some BS area 51 nonsense...

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Great points, but logic does not work with that idiot.  The Rivera quote is correct--how many times did we lose or nearly lose 2-score leads in the fourth quarter?

 

Ron: We're up two scores midway through the 3rd quarter, time to shut the offense down and let the defense try to hold on.

[Davidson Deac II]

I don't really care so much about the drafting.  Hurney (and for that matter Gettleman) drafted well, in comparison to their peers.  As long as he doesn't trade draft picks or move up/down.  He should never be allowed to do that.  

Hurney's mishandling of free agency  and Cap space are what concern me.  And why we should go another direction.  

[Dhagans06]

JR is starting to be a cancer to this team, we need him gone asap.

[heel31ok]

5 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Great points, but logic does not work with that idiot.  The Rivera quote is correct--how many times did we lose or nearly lose 2-score leads in the fourth quarter?

 

The answer is the future not the past...Turner is the future ...he answers many of those logical concerns...

[heel31ok]

2 minutes ago, Dhagans06 said:

JR is starting to be a cancer to this team, we need him gone asap.

How so...the fears expressed on a message board? 

[SCO96]

1 hour ago, Ace_Aladdin said:

It’s not a stupid decision, Hurney has worked with Ron and Coaching staff and knows exactly what this team needs to win a SB. 

Ron Rivera never had a winning season in Carolina until Hurney was fired. Since that time Rivera has been to the playoffs 4 out of the past 5 seasons. Marty may have had the "interim" title this past year, but he didn't conduct the draft or handle the FA period. The 2017 Panthers were essentially (for better or worse) Gettleman's team.

Prior to that, he worked with John Fox for about 9 seasons. They had 3 playoff seasons together, but didn't record a record better than .500 in the other 6 seasons. When he left before the 2013 season we had one of the worst and most overpaid rosters in the league

The consistently good/great teams in the NFL build thru the draft. You have to make good choices beyond the 1st round. Look at some of the players Marty picked in the crucial 2nd and 3rd rounds in the draft:

Jimmy Clauson, Keary Colbert, Sherrod Martin, Rashad Butler, Armani Edwards, Eric Shelton, Dwayne Jarrett, Terrell Mclain, Sione Fua, Everette Brown, Attiyyah Ellison.

I haven't even mentioned the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th round busts. When you factor in the bad contracts he gave out to maintain our FA's his tenure looks even worse. Let's not forget how he traded away 1st round picks to move up in the draft to get players that ultimately failed to produce over the long haul or at all. We didn't even have 1st round choices 2009 and 2010. Our first picks in those drafts were in the 2nd round and we came away with Everette Brown and Jimmy Clausen. Need I say more?

No one here has a problem with Marty the person. I think most of us would support him if he were named Team President. We have a problems with Marty as the architect of the Carolina Panther roster. Unless he's surrounded by a top scouting/coaching staff that heavily influences his final decision, I don't think Marty knows how to evaluate talent well enough to build a contending team year in and year out.

 

[blackcat]

Still makes no sense whatsoever that the outgoing regime is interviewing GM candidates.  Who the hell cares if they hire Hurney, Dawson, or Me?  Chances are, they'll get shitcanned by the new owner.  This is much ado about nothing.

[Davidson Deac II]

4 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Great points, but logic does not work with that idiot.  The Rivera quote is correct--how many times did we lose or nearly lose 2-score leads in the fourth quarter?

 

I think the losing leads thing is exaggerated quite a bit.  We actually have done quite well at winning games when we had a two score lead.  In the last 5 years,  I believe we have only lost one game when we had a two score lead in the 4th qtr.  I know that we have come close several times, but in part, that is the nature of the NFL.