Panthers continue to hold out for Hurney

[NJPanthers12]

16 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

Mr Scot is obsessed with hating Hurney and JR so much for firing/replacing  Gettleman that he can not accept what is good for the team in the short term.  He is chock full of conspiracy theories and what ifs,  and at this point he appears to be manufacturing things from whole cloth in an attempt to justify his loathing and demands.

There are many things I don't agree with mr. Scott on, but he couldn't be more spot on with his opinions on this. Jerry Richardson was a disaster of an owner and an all around not that great human being. He did everything humanly possible to hold this franchise back. I truly believe it is physically impossible for a new owner to come in and be worse.

have you ever wondered why marty Hurney hasn't received one interview since being fired? It's because he sucks and is a liability to any front office he is part of. Allowing marty to even have 1 offseason to hand out contracts is just irresponsible. How some people do not see this, I will never understand.

[Davidson Deac II]

13 minutes ago, UpstatePanther said:

I hear you. My point wasn't that we lost a lot of games because of it. I was trying to say that it's extremely frustrating to continuously watch leads evaporate because of decisions made by the coaches. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather watch a lead evaporate every game and still win because hey a win is a win. But it would be much more enjoyable if once we get a lead, we just start running up the score like we did in 2015. I liked not having to sweat out every game that year lol.

No worries, that is understandable.  

Fwiw though, I think leads evaporating happens quite a bit in the NFL, not just to us.   Partially because the NFL sets the rules up to give teams a shot at a comeback with all the clock stoppages and other things.  And partially because of a human tendency to relax when you have a larger lead.  Also, because the vast majority of coaches tend to get conservative when they get a larger lead.  Watching the Saints go thru the playoffs this year, they both lost a significant lead and almost lost the game against us, and then they were on the other side against the Vikings, getting down by a lot, taking the lead, only to lose it in the end (albeit in far more shocking circumstances than our game).  

[LinvilleGorge]

14 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Got permission to share what I've heard...

Let me stress again up front that I personally do not have any inside sources. What I'm going to share here was given to me by someone who does, and a very legitimate source at that.

No, I'm not going to say who told me this or who they got it from. They may choose to do that themselves at some point, but I'm not going to make that decision for them. I offered instead to share what they knew while protecting their anonymity, and they agreed. If you choose not to believe it, your decision. Doesn't bother me either way.

I've had other people tell me "inside info" that turned out to be BS before which is why I generally don't share that kind of thing unless I feel certain it's reliable. I'm comfortable in this case that it's legit.

So here goes...
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In your life or your career, you've probably run across somebody who desperately wanted to be good at something - and maybe even worked very hard at it - but for whatever reason  just wasn't.

I think that's a fitting characterization of Marty Hurney.

Hurney basically isn't a great football mind. He certainly wants to be, tries to be, and may believe that he is. He was even mentored by one (Beathard) but sadly Marty just doesn't have what it takes. Doesn't stop him from trying, though.  Unfortunately, his attempts to do something brilliant tend to manifest themselves as him coming up with a lot of crazy ideas that ultimately just don't pan out.

Stuff like trading high future picks, keeping two kickers, drafting guys like Amini Silatolu and signing a player like Brad Kaaya would likely be good examples. Kaaya is one that was specifically mentioned to me by my source. Apparently Hurney thought Kaaya was something really special. He's not, and thankfully that project was over before it really began. Still, it cost us Joe Webb.

And it would seem, sadly, that this sort of thing is a common occurrence.

Per the info, Marty tends to get a lot of crazy ideas that somebody (usually someone from the scouting department) has to talk him out of. How frequently does this happen? The word my source used was "consistently". That means the people under him really have to be on their toes, and have to work harder than they should to keep the boss from screwing things up.

The situation sounds a lot like a sitcom with a bumbling boss who's always coming up with hare brained ideas that his more knowledgeable employees have to somehow put a stop to. The boss in these stories tends to think he's smarter than he really is - and smarter than his underlings - which is what leads to comedy on TV, failure in real life.

One of the prime examples of this is a topic that's been discussed on here before.

My source confirmed that yes, Marty Hurney was indeed trying to trade a future first round pick to move up and get Jimmy Clausen. That ultimately didn't happen, but it wasn't because Marty was unwilling to pull the trigger. Per the story, Hurney was convinced enough that Clausen was a franchise QB that he was cocked, locked and ready to rock.

So why didn't it happen? Well, not because Marty changed his mind on his own. It was because people from the scouting department were trying desperately to talk him out of it. Lucky for all involved, they succeeded.

Other tidbits include that the current atmosphere of the Panther offices in the wake of the Richardson scandal is highly dysfunctional. That, and the fact that age has indeed taken a toll on Jerry Richardson himself. This source described him as "slipping away" over the last five to ten years or so. Given the current scandal, that's not hard to believe at all.

Basically, we're firmly in Al Davis territory. And our version of Al wants to leave the franchise in the hands of a guy that his other employees are consistently having to talk out of doing something that's a bad idea.

Oy...

I already wasn't a big fan of Marty Hurney based on his past performance. Since hearing this, the idea of Marty being in charge again has reached "hell no" levels of unwanted for me.

But with an owner who likes him, and who's not totally in his right mind (and who wasn't exactly known for making great choices even before) it's a good possibility that's exactly what's going to happen.

I've poked some fun at you on this thread for being all kinds of conspiratorial regarding this situation, but honestly, nothing about this seems unbelievable.

[Mr. Scot]

32 minutes ago, UpstatePanther said:

You're on to something there. Why even do a GM search? Why not just keep Hurney as the interim GM until the new owners come. It would have caused less drama. Correct me if I'm wrong but his contract wasn't up until the summer right?

Because regardless of ownership transition or whatever else, this season counts. It's not like Back to the Future II where we're only setting up the next chapter. The action is real.

I've seen loads of people comment on how we're wasting Newton and Kuechly's best years. Whatever wear and tear they receive this season isn't going to wash off. And when it's over, they'll both be another year older. They don't get to take this year back.

On the flipside, this season is supposed to be the "victory lap" for Ryan Kalil, Thomas Davis and Julius Peppers. Do we want their final season to be run by a GM whose employees have to try and make sure he doesn't do something dumb?

The only reason there's"drama" involved is that Jerry Richardson won't let go of Marty Hurney. If Richardson were to drop this insistence and let the team move on, then all the drama is done.

I'm not expecting that to happen though.

[KDawg004]

The Hurney love on here is baffling. What has he possibly done to earn the trust you guys give him?! In 10 years with him under the helm we made the playoffs 3 times. As much flack as Gettleman gets (deservedly so) we made it 3 out of 4 years. Really 4 out of 5 because last years team was put together by him. Hurney has no business dealing with the football side of things. If you want to keep him, bring him on as team president. He’s well versed in that aspect. But keep him away from football operations. We don’t need to be setback again.

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I've poked some fun at you on this thread for being all kinds of conspiratorial regarding this situation, but honestly, nothing about this seems unbelievable.

I have no trouble believing anything he's told me.

[JARROD]

4 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Some folks are so mediocre that to them, knowing someone who knows someone connected is unimaginable.

I taught Brandon Beane in high school. (South Stanly High).  I know a lot of folks who knew Brandon, and they would ask him questions.  Brandon would not reveal inappropriate info, but he would clarify misconceptions.  I shared a few ideas here that came from him (indirectly--we spoke once since the 1990s, when he was a HS student--getting our cars inspected).  It was funny to see how many of these numb nuts would call me out. 

Here is the great Marty Hurney since returning:

• Keeping 2 kickers, ultimately losing 2 players as a result (STOOPID)
• Trading away our #1 WR while on a playoff run with 2 WRs on IR (forget the trade on paper--the timing was idiotic and reckless)
• Signing RR to an extension (I believe it was politically motivated; knowing RR would campaign for him)

I can support much of this if you simply reflect back on the one draft Marty engineered when John Fox was a lame duck coach. Fox did not communicate with Marty about the draft before or during.

Here is your football mind--

• Jimmy Clausen:  I did KNOW that we tried to trade up with the Rams at #33, offering our second, the first rounder next year, and a sixth rounder.  The Rams refused at some point, then Marty added the sixth before getting pulled back.  KC and Minnesota--both desperate for QBs--passed on MH  in the first AND second rounds.  They knew.  Bust
• Brandon Lafell:  His best pick, an average player at best. Small hands, average at best speed.
• Armanti Edwards:  Brandon told me (at the service station) that Marty was obsessed with the idea that Colts wanted Armanti Edwards, so he coughed up our second rounder (which turned out to be the #33 pick) and New England was happy to prey on our stupid GM. Bust
• Eric Norwood:  Never a fit in a 4-3.  Nice player in college.  Bust.

I could have done better than this with a 12 pack, blindfold, and dartboard.

Yeh someone said something about we should have gone after Alshon when we could’ve instead of phili but we had Kelvin. 

Anyone still think Kelvin wouldn’t have helped us at the end? Ship has sailed nothing we can do about it but it was truly stupid.

[Towelboy]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I have no trouble believing anything he's told me.

I have nothing to gain from fabricating lies about this team. People can choose to believe what they want, but I know what I've been told. Besides, people have already made their minds up about Hurney as GM. I personally subscribe to the notion that he is not the best candidate for the position considering some of the decisions he has made in the past - wanting to trade up for Clausen (which turned out to be the Cam pick), some of the pet projects that didn't pan out, and the contracts given to players on the downside of their career. Just my $0.02.

[Salisburysean98]

As long as he drafts Derwin James I'm okay with it. And move up in the 2nd to snatch Hubbard. 

[pantherclaw]

The injuries at the receiver position came after the KB trade, but don't let the truth stop you from making poo up to support your bashing of somebody you don't know.

[ras977]

11 minutes ago, Towelboy said:

I have nothing to gain from fabricating lies about this team. People can choose to believe what they want, but I know what I've been told. Besides, people have already made their minds up about Hurney as GM. I personally subscribe to the notion that he is not the best candidate for the position considering some of the decisions he has made in the past - wanting to trade up for Clausen (which turned out to be the Cam pick), some of the pet projects that didn't pan out, and the contracts given to players on the downside of their career. Just my $0.02.

The story about trading up for Clausen has been around for years. Got to believe there's some truth to it,

[Snake]

I'm hearing from my source that there will be a press conference Monday. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

8 hours ago, The Natural said:

I'll confer with my source and if he gives me the "all clear" I'll let you guys in on some CRAZY details.  Let's just say Dave Gettleman probably won't retain his position in NY for much longer once the investigation pivots. 

Tell us more......

[Car123]

52 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Yeh someone said something about we should have gone after Alshon when we could’ve instead of phili but we had Kelvin. 

Anyone still think Kelvin wouldn’t have helped us at the end? Ship has sailed nothing we can do about it but it was truly stupid.

Hindsight is 20/20. We may not have made the playoffs with Kelvin Benjamin.