Panthers continue to hold out for Hurney

[panthers55]

Hurney since he has returned has done a  good job. KB was a big part of it as the word was that KB was at times unmotivated and had a questionable work ethic. We were not likely to resign him to a big new contract so Hurney did what folks bitched that he didnt  do with Peppers the first time which was trade them while we can get value. A page out of the Bill Belichick book. And evidence he did learn from.past mistakes. What has KB done since going to Buffalo?

The contract for Olsen and Davis we're great moves and something Gettleman apparently didn't want to do but Hurney did and it worked out well. The Clay trade for Seymour and then getting him back for free was another good move. That says nothing of the in season moves every GM has to make to keep things going.

Hurney has been different and will be moving forward because he admitted his mistakes and wants to atone for them. This time around is not for money but redemption. History repeats itself for those who don't learn from the past. At this point Hurney it our best choice to stay interim and that is what it is whether he is labeled full time or not. He or anyone else will clearly be on a short leash with new ownership coming in.

[panthers55]

The whole Richardson is loyal to Hurney and wants him at all costs is really ridiculous on all levels. Richardson fired his own children years ago when they were fighting and bickering. If he will do that then loyalty is not exactly his long suit. Secondly he is focused on getting maximum return for his investment which will be 2 billion which is over twice what he paid for it. Sounds pretty smart to me. Most of the criticism here are by folks who have never worked in business and industry at a high level and have no clue about what it takes to succeed in the world or business or the difference between what they say and what they do. People who have seen these folks operate know that loyalty is a distant second to the bottom line 9 times out of 10. Yes you can find exceptions but  Richardson is out for money to assuage the emptiness of losing his team he built from scratch. He wants continuity which he feels is the best chance to make maximum bucks in the short run. Loyalty is a far second to that you can be assured.

 

[Harbingers]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

That said, I'm not convinced that its about race when it comes to Hurney.

It's not so much that Jerry Richardson doesn't want a black man in place of Marty Hurney. It's that he doesn't want anybody in place of Marty Hurney.

Wait, why are we making it about race. It’s obvious this is 100% JR just wanting Hurney because he’s a loyal yes man and JR trusts him.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Wait, why are we making it about race. It’s obvious this is 100% JR just wanting Hurney because he’s a loyal yes man and JR trusts him.

Race is involved, in part because Richardson is being investigated for being racist but also because of the  team looking to get around the Rooney Rule using the interim tag and the Pollard Alliance calling them on it.

I don't believe it's the primary factor in keeping Hurney, but there are aspects of it in the discussion.

[Davidson Deac II]

13 hours ago, UpstatePanther said:

That hasn't been our problem. Our problem has been jumping out to a double digit lead because our offense was un-f*cking-believable on its first 3 or 4 drives, only to watch the playcalling change to bs prevent offense sh*t. Run the clock out and try to maintain on defense. The reason we haven't been blowing many leads in the 4th quarter is because we usually blew them somewhere between halfway through the 2nd quarter and the beginning of the 4th. 

I know that is the perception, but its not reality.  The perception exist because it happened a lot in Ron's first two years.  Since then, not so much.  And because we have tended to allow a team to get way to close after we had a large lead.  

In our 6 losses this year, we never had a double digit lead.  We barely even had a lead in about half of them.  In 2016, it happened twice (Denver and KC).  In 2015,  we had two losses, and only had the lead in one of them, and then not by double digits.  In 2014 I don't think we blew any double digit leads.  I don't remember having many to blow.  In 2013, we didn't blow any double digit leads.  

So in 5 seasons, we have blown double digit leads twice, that I know of.  Since we have won more than we lost over that time period, that is actually not bad, probably above the league average.  

 

[panthers55]

4 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Wait, why are we making it about race. It’s obvious this is 100% JR just wanting Hurney because he’s a loyal yes man and JR trusts him.

Not at all. Richardson is gone and he knows anything he does now can be undone in a minute. He want money and Hurney is in his mind the best way to ensure that in the short term. He isn't looking long term or down the road but what is best now. When you are looking to make billions it is about now.

[Squirrel]

Why worry about once the new owner is found Hurney will be gone. 

 

 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's not so much that Jerry Richardson doesn't want a black man in place of Marty Hurney. It's that he doesn't want anybody in place of Marty Hurney.

When they called in three African-American candidates, the team was trying to make it look like they were more than complying with the Rooney Rule. In the process, they actually made themselves look worse.

This.

[Paa Langfart]

1 hour ago, Squirrel said:

Why worry about once the new owner is found Hurney will be gone. 

 

 

Mr Scot is obsessed with hating Hurney and JR so much for firing/replacing  Gettleman that he can not accept what is good for the team in the short term.  He is chock full of conspiracy theories and what ifs,  and at this point he appears to be manufacturing things from whole cloth in an attempt to justify his loathing and demands.

[UpstatePanther]

6 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

What’s stupid is actually attempting to hire a new gm right now. 

You're on to something there. Why even do a GM search? Why not just keep Gurney as the interim GM until the new owners come. It would have caused less drama. Correct me if I'm wrong but his contract wasn't up until the summer right?

1 hour ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I know that is the perception, but its not reality.  The perception exist because it happened a lot in Ron's first two years.  Since then, not so much.  And because we have tended to allow a team to get way to close after we had a large lead.  

In our 6 losses this year, we never had a double digit lead.  We barely even had a lead in about half of them.  In 2016, it happened twice (Denver and KC).  In 2015,  we had two losses, and only had the lead in one of them, and then not by double digits.  In 2014 I don't think we blew any double digit leads.  I don't remember having many to blow.  In 2013, we didn't blow any double digit leads.  

So in 5 seasons, we have blown double digit leads twice, that I know of.  Since we have won more than we lost over that time period, that is actually not bad, probably above the league average.  

I hear you. My point wasn't that we lost a lot of games because of it. I was trying to say that it's extremely frustrating to continuously watch leads evaporate because of decisions made by the coaches. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather watch a lead evaporate every game and still win because hey a win is a win. But it would be much more enjoyable if once we get a lead, we just start running up the score like we did in 2015. I liked not having to sweat out every game that year lol.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

Mr Scot is obsessed with hating Hurney and JR so much for firing/replacing  Gettleman that he can not accept what is good for the team in the short term.  He is chock full of conspiracy theories and what ifs,  and at this point he appears to be manufacturing things from whole cloth in an attempt to justify his loathing and demands.

My source spoke for himself.

Did you miss that part or did you just not understand it?

[Jon Snow]

5 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

Mr Scot is obsessed with hating Hurney and JR so much for firing/replacing  Gettleman that he can not accept what is good for the team in the short term.  He is chock full of conspiracy theories and what ifs,  and at this point he appears to be manufacturing things from whole cloth in an attempt to justify his loathing and demands.

Everything Scot has said is true.  Nothing good can come from keeping Hurney around, nothing.

 

[Paa Langfart]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

My source spoke for himself.

Did you miss that part or did you just not understand it?

For some reason I believe little to nothing I read from anonymous sources in internet chat rooms.  Some people feel differently.  That's not me.  Ball boy or whoever could be one of your alts for all I know.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

For some reason I believe little to nothing I read from anonymous sources in internet chat rooms.  Some people feel differently.  That's not me.  Ball boy or whoever could be one of your alts for all I know.

So, not interested in facts that might alter your version of things. Not surprised.

Gettleman is gone. Nothing that he does now affects the Panthers unless we're competing against the Giants. Richardson was an idiot to fire him, but that's not what's important now.

What actually does matter is that we get a competent GM running the team.

Marty Hurney is not a competent GM. We have better options who could be. If we bypass those options in order to put Hurney back in place, it'll just be one more dumbass decision on Jerry Richardson's part.

The good thing is that he doesn't have many more of those left.