To Be with Marty or Not to be With Marty...

[Black&Blue]

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

They both had faults.. The problem comes from the ppl who tend to act like Gman walked on water...

Most people seem to judge him accurately, but yeah, there's always outliers and loyalists.  Some people still think Hillary Clinton is the greatest woman ever.  

[WOW!!]

1 minute ago, Black&Blue said:

Most people seem to judge him accurately, but yeah, there's always outliers and loyalists.  Some people still think Hillary Clinton is the greatest woman ever.  

Most ppl are as starting to.. It wasn't this objective around here at the beginning of the season...

[DaveThePanther2008]

4 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Bring up the fact he didn't just cut Smitty.. His Dumbass change the whole WR Corp and put Bell and Chandler at Tackle.. So not only did Cam go into the season with a WR "He hadn't played a down with" he was being protected by a tackle who was left handed and a DT.....???? Let that sink in.. But Scot will act like he did no wrong...

I do agree on the changing the whole WR corps was a terrible move.  Especially since our only true WR was Smitty.  I got the point that he and Cam didn't see eye to eye but if you are going to ZAP the best WR this franchise has ever seen.  He should have brought in a true WR to take his place. 

In his defense we were in CAP Hell and didn't have much to work with so signing a top notch free agent wasn't in the cards. 

 

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

They both had faults.. The problem comes from the ppl who tend to act like Gman walked on water...

I really thought we had a great GM in Gettleman but looking at his body of work.  IMO he wasn't much better than Hurney. 

 

[Black&Blue]

Hurney drafted better, Gettleman managed the cap better, but they were both god awful in the sum total.  If you ever want to push yourself into a nervous breakdown, just review all of the Gettleman draft picks and compare them to the players we passed on.  

[DaveThePanther2008]

2 minutes ago, Black&Blue said:

Hurney drafted better, Gettleman managed the cap better, but they were both god awful in the sum total.  If you ever want to push yourself into a nervous breakdown, just review all of the Gettleman draft picks and compare them to the players we passed on.  

Hurney was a better 1st round drafter.  Hurney had a couple of drafts that gave us absolutely nothing in return outside the first Round.  

Gettleman, as I look back, acted like he was the guru of all guru's but really was mediocre at best.  

[WOW!!]

2 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I do agree on the changing the whole WR corps was a terrible move.  Especially since our only true WR was Smitty.  I got the point that he and Cam didn't see eye to eye but if you are going to ZAP the best WR this franchise has ever seen.  He should have brought in a true WR to take his place. 

In his defense we were in CAP Hell and didn't have much to work with so signing a top notch free agent wasn't in the cards. 

That Cap hell excuse only worked for the 1st 2 years.. And should have been a reason you keep smitty .. With no way to get a better option.. 

I really thought we had a great GM in Gettleman but looking at his body of work.  IMO he wasn't much better than Hurney. 

 

Exactly!! Ding ding ding...

After the s uperbowl year when he change the whole secondary and let Norman walk (for no reason at all) I was done with him.. I figured out Gman could never build on a good season.. He would change whole position group low balling players and have no backup plan when that tactic failed..  I might be wrong but you had 1 to 2 more years of okay Gross play that Gman bullied into retirement and had no back up plan for.  

[Black&Blue]

Yeah, Hurney sucked at drafting too, but he was better than Gettleman.  Hurney gave us some cornerstone players.  Gettleman gave us Short, and a few other guys who are decent but not great.

[TheSpecialJuan]

Marty's ex-wife's wild allegations might just be the best thing to happen to this franchise. 

[WOW!!]

1 minute ago, Black&Blue said:

Yeah, Hurney sucked at drafting too, but he was better than Gettleman.  Hurney gave us some cornerstone players.  Gettleman gave us Short, and a few other guys who are decent but not great.

And he let cornerstone players leave with no back up plan to replace them.. Other than his belief he could draft or dumpster dive a better player... OR they were already on the roster....lmao..

[Mr. Scot]

58 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

fug Frash.. He is a hypocrite just like you. .. And I will be here to point it out.. Until you just go and join your Saviour on the big blue forum...

Oy...Okay, let's try this one more time

Nobody actually ever suggested that Gettleman was perfect, just that he was significantly better than Hurney. And it's true, he was.

The only true, valid and complete measure of a GM is the success of the teams he builds.  Gettleman's time as a GM was the most successful period in Panthers history.  And please don't bother with the idiotic "he had Hurney's core" argument.  So did Hurney, and he sucked with it.  In point of fact, two of Hurney's three (out of eleven) successful seasons came with a core that was handed to him by George Seifert.

And yes, cutting Steve Smith was actually a good move despite all the histrionics fans went into afterwards. Smith is retired.  Get over it.

Gettleman is now gone, and he's never coming back, because the Panthers are owned by an idiot.  Marty Hurney was gone, and then was brought back, again because the Panthers are owned by an idiot.  Worth remembering though that Gettleman got another GM job in less than a year.  Nobody outside of Jerry Richardson even wanted Hurney as a consultant.

As to the "become a Giants fan" thing, nobody is doing that.  Nobody is even considering it.  Continually bringing that up as if it were an actual thing just makes you sound really stupid.

Regardless, the good news now is that we have the chance (hopefully) to move on to a new GM who's highly qualified.  And after that, we'll also get a new owner, one who hopefully won't be a dumbass and will set back and let the football people do their job.

You can continue the endless (and stupid) argument over who was better all you want, but lemme give you a challenge to actually stretch your mind.

Give me a good reason, one logical reason, why the Panthers should opt to keep Marty Hurney over a guy like Lake Dawson.

[DaveThePanther2008]

2 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Exactly!! Ding ding ding...

After the s uperbowl year when he change the whole secondary and let Norman walk (for no reason at all) I was done with him.. I figured out Gman could never build on a good season.. He would change whole position group low balling players and have no backup plan when that tactic failed..  I might be wrong but you had 1 to 2 more years of okay Gross play that Gman bullied into retirement and had no back up plan for.  

Gettleman, IMO, ego was too big for the job.  I almost feel like he played Madden too much. lol   I felt he thought he could just plug and play and everything would be fine.  Replacing Norman with a rookie(s) and expecting it to pan out was ludicrous.  No matter how good the rookies were.  Just didn't make sense.  

Norman was a key part of our defense and a home grown product as well.  He did the right thing by tagging him and then because the dumb ass agent tried to screw him he pulled the tag.   It gave me the impression that he was "I'll show EVERYONE not to Fug with me" attitude.  When in the end the only ones that got fugged was McDermott and the defense.

[CPF4LIFE]

Gettlemam being significantly better then Hurney is bullshit and will continue to be bullshit. You know why? Because you cant credit gettlemans success without mentioning the foundation Hurney set for him. You JUST CANT. Gettleman didnt walk into a typical situation for a GM, he had help.....SIGNIFICANT HELP. That doesnt make him world's above Hurney and the players hated him. Sure he would tell them what they didnt want to hear which was fine, but the problem is he could never back it up by finding suitable replacements. So that equates to failure and hurt us the most.

[DaveThePanther2008]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Oy...Okay, let's try this one more time

Nobody actually ever suggested that Gettleman was perfect, just that he was significantly better than Hurney. And it's true, he was.  Debatable

The only true, valid and complete measure of a GM is the success of the teams he builds.  Gettleman's time as a GM was the most successful period in Panthers history. Debatable or doesn't say much for our GMs.  And please don't bother with the idiotic "he had Hurney's core" argument.Agreed  So did Hurney, and he sucked with it.  In point of fact, two of Hurney's three (out of eleven) successful seasons came with a core that was handed to him by George Seifert. Agreed

And yes, cutting Steve Smith was actually a good move despite all the histrionics fans went into afterwards. Debatable Smith is retired.  Get over it.  Agreed, I'm over it...lol

Gettleman is now gone, and he's never coming back, because the Panthers are owned by an idiot.  Agreed  Marty Hurney was gone, and then was brought back, again because the Panthers are owned by an idiot. Agreed The good news now is that we have the chance (hopefully) to move on to a new GM who's highly qualified.  And after that, we'll also get a new owner, one who hopefully won't be a dumbass and will set back and let the football people do their job. Agreed

You can continue the endless (and stupid) argument over who was better all you want, but lemme give you a challenge to actually stretch your mind. 

Give me a good reason, one logical reason, why the Panthers should opt to keep Marty Hurney over a guy like Lake Dawson. 100% Agreed

I think we all can agree that moving on is the best bet for the Panthers.  Your post on Dawson's qualifications is more than enough for me.   

Let's just hope he doesn't go down with the Titanic like Jack Dawson (see the movie Titanic)  JK

[WOW!!]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Oy...Okay, let's try this one more time

Nobody actually ever suggested that Gettleman was perfect, just that he was significantly better than Hurney. And it's true, he was.

The only true, valid and complete measure of a GM is the success of the teams he builds.  Gettleman's time as a GM was the most successful period in Panthers history.  And please don't bother with the idiotic "he had Hurney's core" argument.  So did Hurney, and he sucked with it.  In point of fact, two of Hurney's three (out of eleven) successful seasons came with a core that was handed to him by George Seifert.

And yes, cutting Steve Smith was actually a good move despite all the histrionics fans went into afterwards. Smith is retired.  Get over it.

Gettleman is now gone, and he's never coming back, because the Panthers are owned by an idiot.  Marty Hurney was gone, and then was brought back, again because the Panthers are owned by an idiot.  The good news now is that we have the chance (hopefully) to move on to a new GM who's highly qualified.  And after that, we'll also get a new owner, one who hopefully won't be a dumbass and will set back and let the football people do their job.

You can continue the endless (and stupid) argument over who was better all you want, but lemme give you a challenge to actually stretch your mind.

Give me a good reason, one logical reason, why the Panthers should opt to keep Marty Hurney over a guy like Lake Dawson.

The team "He built" had a foundation of a MVP caliber QB and Generational talent at LB.. So while you're patting him in the back for "building a team" .. You constantly negate the fact the team had a strong foundation of talent when he got here.. 

Cutting Smitty and letting the rest of the WR Corp walk was a dumb fuging move.. I Don't give a fug what you think about that.. It was plain fuging mal practice to put your franchise QB out there with a rookie and a new group WR and the worst OT combination in team history   after a 13 and 3 season...

Hurney isn't great and I will welcome Dawson asap.. But this Gettelmen BS is your dumbass opinion... He wasn't that much better .. He had 2 winning seasons in 4 years (all his fault he didn't have more) and he got a big head start because of his predecessors work...