Jason La Confora: "hearing that Park Avenue is putting pressure on [Panthers] to go outside the organization for their hires and make this go away."

[TheSpecialJuan]

28 minutes ago, KBRed said:

Tina is in a tough spot. 

Turner?

[Mr. Scot]

I've come to an understanding that Jerry Richardson is somebody with a very deeply embedded narcissism in his personality. That understanding is causing me to reshape my opinion on some things.

For one, like many others, I was of the belief that Richardson was trying to get Hurney in place as the permanent GM in order to give him one final big paycheck and reward him for his loyalty.

I no longer believe that's true.

I now think that the effort to install Hurney as permanent GM is being done to give Jerry Richardson continued control of the organization even after it's sold.

Richardson knows that Hurney is completely loyal to him. And I would guess that part of the interview screening for prospective owners would be to determine whether they would keep Hurney in place or not.

Basically, with Hurney as GM, Richardson remains the man in charge, even if the team officially belongs to someone else. What better way to guide his "legacy"?

Heck, look at the current situation. Richardson officially excused himself from the day to day of the team, but Joe Person recently acknowledged that he's still involved. I'd say "involved" doesn't begin to cover it. He left his former assistant in charge for a reason.

"That's nuts", you say? Of course it is, but it's also completely consistent with how a narcissist thinks. They believe the world revolves around them and that, regardless of any evidence to the contrary, they're smarter than everybody else. And the most valuable resource that any narcissist can have in their lives...is someone who agrees with that idea.

For Jerry Richardson, that's Marty Hurney.

Even if it's not a condition of ownership, Richardson may believe that any other owner will see Marty Hurney the same way that he does. And of course, you'd have to be stupid to fire somebody that gifted, right?

It also doesn't help that Jerry Richardson is way up there in years. Age can amplify narcissism to the nth degree, to the point that a person is barely even in touch with reality other than the reality that they shape in their own mind.

I think that's where we are with Richardson at this point.

As has been said before, the sooner he's out of the picture, the better.

[The Lobo]

29 minutes ago, rayzor said:

bringing him back has already done that. i have as much faith in hurney being able to evolve into a good GM as i had in shula becoming a competent OC. 2018 will be fine. it's every year after that i don't have much faith in him being able to have a positive impact.

Exactly. I just mean mess with JR, this Hurney ordeal, new owners...there is a lot going on and a lot of question marks. The new GM coming in hasn’t done any  draft related things for us. At least Hurney had. I wish we could use him through the draft and then bring in the new GM for FA. 

[carpanfan96]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've come to an understanding that Jerry Richardson is somebody with an it very deeply embedded narcissism in his personality. That understanding is causing me to reshape my opinion on some things.

For one, like many others, I was of the belief that Richardson was trying to get Hurney in place as the permanent GM in order to give him one final paycheck and reward him for his loyalty.

I no longer believe that's true.

I now think that the effort to install Hurney as permanent GM is being done to give Jerry Richardson continued control of the organization even after it's sold.

Richardson knows that Hurney is completely loyal to him. And I would guess that part of the interview screening is going to do for prospective owners would be to determine whether they would keep Hurney in place or not.

Basically, with Hurney as GM, Richardson remains the man in charge, even if the team officially belongs to someone else

"That's nuts", you say? Of course it is, but it's also completely consistent with how a narcissist thinks. They believe the world revolves around them and that, regardless of any evidence to the contrary, they're smarter than everybody else. And the most valuable resource that any narcissist and have in their lives...is someone who agrees with that idea.

For Jerry Richardson, that's Marty Hurney.

Even if it's not a condition of ownership, Richardson may believe that any other owner we'll see Marty Hurney the same way that he does. And of course, you'd have to be stupid to fire somebody that gifted, right?

It also doesn't help that Jerry Richardson is way up there in years. Age can amplify narcissism to the nth degree, to the point that a person is barely even in touch with reality other than the reality that they shape in their own mind.

I think that's where we are with Richardson at this point.

Now you're starting to catch on, but what if..  I'm just saying what if here.

 

What if the new Owner is already a minority owner of the team with an agreement to buy the team and keep not only Hurney in place but also Allen and Becker. 

 

Makes you go hmmmm, before you run to the toilet to vomit...doesn't it. lol

[TheSpecialJuan]

This is indeed good news.

[Dilla]

Whether you hate Hurney or think Hurney got a bad rap, I think most of us can agree that Hurney isn't some "can't miss" GM prospect that is worth waiting on. Eliminate him from the discussion and ride with Dawson.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Now you're starting to catch on, but what if..  I'm just saying what if here.

What if the new Owner is already a minority owner of the team with an agreement to buy the team and keep not only Hurney in place but also Allen and Becker. 

Makes you go hmmmm, before you run to the toilet to vomit...doesn't it. lol

The thought has crossed my mind before, independent of the narcissism angle.

Originally I thought it would be a good idea to sell to a minority owner. I stopped believing that when it occurred to me that a minority owner might be on board with following Jerry Richardson's wishes as to how the team should be run.

Currently, I'm hoping that none of the minority owners (the ones who erected a statue to Jerry Richardson by the way) are involved with the next ownership group.

We need a complete break from Jerry Richardson.

[t96]

28 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've come to an understanding that Jerry Richardson is somebody with a very deeply embedded narcissism in his personality. That understanding is causing me to reshape my opinion on some things.

For one, like many others, I was of the belief that Richardson was trying to get Hurney in place as the permanent GM in order to give him one final big paycheck and reward him for his loyalty.

I no longer believe that's true.

I now think that the effort to install Hurney as permanent GM is being done to give Jerry Richardson continued control of the organization even after it's sold.

Richardson knows that Hurney is completely loyal to him. And I would guess that part of the interview screening for prospective owners would be to determine whether they would keep Hurney in place or not.

Basically, with Hurney as GM, Richardson remains the man in charge, even if the team officially belongs to someone else. What better way to guide his "legacy"?

Heck, look at the current situation. Richardson officially excused himself from the day to day of the team, but Joe Person recently acknowledged that he's still involved. I'd say "involved" doesn't begin to cover it. He left his former assistant in charge for a reason.

"That's nuts", you say? Of course it is, but it's also completely consistent with how a narcissist thinks. They believe the world revolves around them and that, regardless of any evidence to the contrary, they're smarter than everybody else. And the most valuable resource that any narcissist can have in their lives...is someone who agrees with that idea.

For Jerry Richardson, that's Marty Hurney.

Even if it's not a condition of ownership, Richardson may believe that any other owner will see Marty Hurney the same way that he does. And of course, you'd have to be stupid to fire somebody that gifted, right?

It also doesn't help that Jerry Richardson is way up there in years. Age can amplify narcissism to the nth degree, to the point that a person is barely even in touch with reality other than the reality that they shape in their own mind.

I think that's where we are with Richardson at this point.

As has been said before, the sooner he's out of the picture, the better.

You're just like all those head shrinkers who watch Trump on the television and read his tweeter and diagnose him with some made up "mental illness" or "condition." This entire post I've quoted is complete fuging nonsensical rambling. You know absolutely nothing at all about JR, have never spoken a word to him, have very very rarely even heard him speak publicly. Why try to claim things about him when you have absolutely no idea and nothing tangible to base such claims on? It's silly.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, thomas96 said:

You're just like all those head shrinkers who watch Trump on the television and read his tweeter and diagnose him with some made up "mental illness" or "condition." This entire post I've quoted is complete fuging nonsensical rambling. You know absolutely nothing at all about JR, have never spoken a word to him, have very very rarely even heard him speak publicly. Why try to claim things about him when you have absolutely no idea and nothing tangible to base such claims on? It's silly.

You think someone who talks to women the way he does, regularly promotes unqualified people out of loyalty and insists on being addressed as "Mister" is just a little quirky?

[Moo Daeng]

6 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

You're just like all those head shrinkers who watch Trump on the television and read his tweeter and diagnose him with some made up "mental illness" or "condition." This entire post I've quoted is complete fuging nonsensical rambling. You know absolutely nothing at all about JR, have never spoken a word to him, have very very rarely even heard him speak publicly. Why try to claim things about him when you have absolutely no idea and nothing tangible to base such claims on? It's silly.

Mister Scott has no clue and that didn't make the least bit of sense.

Permanent GM? WTF is he talking about. He's selling the team.

[Cary Kollins]

Jesus, no team in the league would hire Hurney for any serious front office position yet here we are gnashing teeth over him being in charge of the whole shabang.

Please keep the pressure up Park Ave until we can get rid of all of Richardson’s stooges and enablers.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

See, and therein lies the problem.

The people who operate within the leadership of the Panthers organization work in an atmosphere where loyalty to Jerry Richardson is the ultimate virtue.

How else do you explain people like Ron Rivera and Steve Wilks - men who I would normally consider stand up guys - rallying support for someone as sleazy as Jerry Richardson has been shown to be?

If I could ask Ron Rivera one question right now, it would be this: How would you respond if you found out a man talked to your daughter the way Jerry Richardson was talking to the employees in his office?

Would you stand up for that guy? Would you defend him as a person of good character? And if it upset her, would you tell her not to worry about it?

It just boggles the mind.

You're assuming that men like Rivera and Wilks (and the countless players who consider JR to be close to a father figure) actually had direct knowledge of the issues he's been accused of and if they did that they believed it to be true. I highly doubt that's the case.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You're assuming that men like Rivera and Wilks (and the countless players who consider JR to be close to a father figure) actually had direct knowledge of the issues he's been accused of and if they did that they believed it to be true. I highly doubt that's the case.

Just the opposite. From what I've been told about the way that things are structured within the stadium, I firmly believe that they didn't see any of it. The only person who might have been in a position to have seen something potentially would have been Marty hurney, and there is no real evidence to indicate whether he did or didn't.

That said, there's a lot of evidence about what went on out there. And they have access to that too.

In a situation like this, honestly the best thing to say publicly is nothing at all.  As it stands now, if the investigation of Richardson pulls out even more embarrassing things and we already know, then their grandstanding salutes of him are going to be really awkward.

[t96]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You think someone who talks to women the way he does, regularly promotes unqualified people out of loyalty and insists on being addressed as "Mister" is just a little quirky?

Nope. I don't claim no know anything about him at all. None of what you mentioned here are facts.