Lake Dawson Has Second Interview With Panthers For GM Job

[Black&Blue]

1 minute ago, The Righteous Troll said:

 

Your is example is like saying :"Of all the women he's hired how could we call him a sexist for making repeated unwanted advances on a few female employees"

No, it isn't.   You're blending two separate issues together.  There's no track record of Richardson habitually calling black people N words, regardless of whether or not you think it's likely or plausible.  

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, The Righteous Troll said:

The new owners will probably let him honor the remainder of his contract but for the most part he'll act as a facilitator to whoever the new GM will be. He could come back at another position but he needs to lay low....too much of the wrong publicity is on the Panthers right now.

It's also true that regardless of guilt or innocence on the issue, he really didn't need this particular kind of trouble.

[The Righteous Troll]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The charges detailed in SI were extensive, well documented and not limited to one or two women.  They made it quite clear this was a culture, not an exception.

I've wanted to see the Panthers under new ownership, but I hate that it happened this way.  Seems like this team never makes the most positive changes unless someone or something forces them info it.

 

Exactly why there will be a new GM. Hurney will seen as part of the harassment culture of the Panthers. Personally I think Hurney is being extorted but the Panthers have a brand that they have to try to reestablish. It's like the NFL is saying "make the right decision so we don't have to make it for you".

[ellis]

Marty Horny.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, The Righteous Troll said:

Exactly why there will be a new GM. Hurney will seen as part of the harassment culture of the Panthers. Personally I think Hurney is being extorted but the Panthers have a brand that they have to try to reestablish. It's like the NFL is saying "make the right decision so we don't have to make it for you".

Possible, especially if you believe LaCanfora.

Had this happened at a different time, it might have been a whole lot of nothing (and technically still could be) but in a post #MeToo world, standing in the direct shadow of the Richardson investigation and acknowledging the NFL has screwed the pooch on a couple of prior inquiries, it's not so easy.

[The Righteous Troll]

5 minutes ago, Black&Blue said:

No, it isn't.   You're blending two separate issues together.  There's no track record of Richardson habitually calling black people N words, regardless of whether or not you think it's likely or plausible.  

How do you know what the track record is? These are not two separate issues, workplace harassment is workplace harassment, and you don't know of a track record because you only know what SI said in the report.There was no track record of what Weinstein or Larry Nassar until it all came out at once. All owners have dirty on them I'm sure it was just Richardson's time to leave I guess 

[ellis]

What Jerry has been accused of doing would have never qualified for this kind of $hitstorm a decade ago. But he’s been a horny old rich man for a while now. It was a perfect storm, and of course, it was the Panthers. Just one more thing. Used to it by now. 

[The Righteous Troll]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Possible, especially if you believe LaCanfora.

Had this happened at a different time, it might have been a whole lot of nothing (and technically still could be) but in a post #MeToo world, standing in the direct shadow of the Richardson investigation and acknowledging the NFL has screwed the pooch on a couple of prior inquiries, it's not so easy.

Not to mention this isn't a player....this is an executive.Again I think Hurney is innocent but the timing could not have been worse if he wanted another crack at GM.

[ellis]

4 minutes ago, The Righteous Troll said:

How do you know what the track record is? These are not two separate issues, workplace harassment is workplace harassment, and you don't know of a track record because you only know what SI said in the report.There was no track record of what Weinstein or Larry Nassar until it all came out at once. All owners have dirty on them I'm sure it was just Richardson's time to leave I guess 

Since we don’t know what the track record was, isn’t it fair to admonish him for all that’s been reported, but nothing more than that? Or should we assume there’s a mountain of other demons beyond the SI report?

I’m inclined to lean more on the conservative side here. 

Actually, you know what? I don’t even care. Torch the old man. 

[Black&Blue]

Just now, The Righteous Troll said:

How do you know what the track record is? These are not two separate issues, workplace harassment is workplace harassment, and you don't know of a track record because you only know what SI said in the report.There was no track record of what Weinstein or Larry Nassar until it all came out at once. All owners have dirty on them I'm sure it was just Richardson's time to leave I guess 

How do you know what the track record is?   You're the one drawing conclusions, not me.   My excoriation of Person's article was never a person defense of Jerry Richardson, by the way.   Learning the value of nuance might help you in future discussions.  

 

 

[The Righteous Troll]

3 minutes ago, je1005 said:

What Jerry has been accused of doing would have never qualified for this kind of $hitstorm a decade ago. But he’s been a horny old rich man for a while now. It was a perfect storm, and of course, it was the Panthers. Just one more thing. Used to it by now. 

Probably...no....I'm sure this is all a blessing in disguise for all Panthers fans. We were just falling behind with old ways of thinking....Hell there still isn't a team president.

[ellis]

Would have been awesome had Jon Richardson not died, and Mark Richardson not pissed his daddy off. That was a sustainable succession plan. Yea, like 20 years ago. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, The Righteous Troll said:

Probably...no....I'm sure this is all a blessing in disguise for all Panthers fans. We were just falling behind with old ways of thinking....Hell there still isn't a team president.

An assistant GM sure would have been nice to have given the circumstances.

That said, I'm honestly not as concerned about positions being unfilled as I am positions being filled by people who shouldn't be in them, and I'm not just talking about Hurney.

We've heard from previous inside sources that Jerry Richardson is known to promote people into jobs as a way to reward them without actually taking into account whether the person he's rewarding is actually qualified for the job promotion they've been handed.

That's arguably the absolute worst way to run a business, and it probably helps explain why the Panthers have such a long history of ineptitude.

[The Righteous Troll]

Just now, Black&Blue said:

How do you know what the track record is?   You're the one drawing conclusions, not me.   My excoriation of Person's article was never a person defense of Jerry Richardson, by the way.   Learning the value of nuance might help you in future discussions.  

 

 

 I have something called instincts...There are some things that have always been red flags about Richardson. When Cam was becoming the face of the franchise "No tattoos/ no piercings?....Good let's keep it that way" Ok so that may come off as old fashion if you don't want your Quarterback to have tattoos..."I was thinking about growing my hair out.....I think you have a nice haircut"....Red Flag right there.Making sure everyone calls him "Mista" So yea I'll take a educated guess that Richardson has alot of undesirable habits/traits.

Never though your excoriation of the article was a person defense of Richardson.