Jason La Canfora reporting new GM hire

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

So you want us to follow the example of the Cleveland Browns of change ?

I'll say this much for the Browns. They were never dumb enough to bring back somebody they fired.

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Once again,  JR had a lot to do with that. He didnt like the rumors that he was cheap during the CBA issue. If Everybody's gonna bail out gettleman for making bad decisions at least keep it consistent. Gettleman has never had to build a team from the ground up, if hurney has rode good drafts like you said then gettlemam definitely rode his. 

  If you want to blame Gettlemen based on the fact that he benefited from Hurney's picks, go back over his last 3 years and show me which picks (aside from Cam, who needed strong support from Rivera), you reference here.  He was terrible.  Then throw in the ridiculous cap hell he gave DG, and it is amazing that we were able to turn it around so quickly.  DG brought in 1-year deals to fill the obvious gaps Marty left him.  I think people forget just how amazing the turnaround was, and aside from RR's arm twisting to draft Cam, this franchise would have been in ruin.  Just my opinion.  I think DG did not draft as well during the last 2 drafts, but he served us well.  Marty never did.

[heel31ok]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Ah yes, the old "find a way to skew the stats in your favor" tactic.

Sorry, not valid.

The reality is that Marty Hurney hasn't built a team that could win a playoff game since 2005, and that's back when he still had a strong core that was left to him by his predecessor.

He was available for any team in the league to hire for anything from GM to a lesser rule for four years. Nobody even gave him a call.  Not a single one of our other candidates has been out of a job for as much as a year. They've stayed in high demand for their entire careers.

Basically, if we didn't have an idiot owner, Marty Hurney wouldn't even be in consideration.

Ah yes...and you are the lonely abstainer...lol

[heel31ok]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Ah yes, the old "find a way to skew the stats in your favor" tactic.

Sorry, not valid.

The reality is that Marty Hurney hasn't built a team that could win a playoff game since 2005, and that's back when he still had a strong core that was left to him by his predecessor.

He was available for any team in the league to hire for anything from GM to a lesser rule for four years. Nobody even gave him a call.  Not a single one of our other candidates has been out of a job for as much as a year. They've stayed in high demand for their entire careers.

Basically, if we didn't have an idiot owner, Marty Hurney wouldn't even be in consideration.

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, heel31ok said:

Ah yes...and you are the lonely abstainer...lol

Yeah... I'm pretty sure you don't know what "abstain" means.

That's not shocking. Based on your previous posts, I'd say you don't know the meaning of a lot of words.

[MHS831]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You do remember that stability and continuity are why we stuck with Mike Shula, right?

Hurney only had three winning seasons out of eleven, and two of those came while he was still working with the core left to him by his predecessor. That's a 25% success rate, and it's terrible.

Will say it again. I will always choose someone who might be good at a job over someone that I already know is bad.

People sure have short memories. DG was dealing with stupid MH contracts nearly the entire time he was here.  Marty showed time and time again that he was out of his league, like when the Colts knew that the Panthers were in love with Armanti Edwards so they bluffed picking him. MH trades up--for a small school, diminutive QB that he planned to use as a WR and in a gimmick offense.

Maybe his best move (after giving in to Rivera and drafting Cam) was to sign Jake Delhomme to his first contract with the Panthers.  But in true Marty Hurney fashion, his worst move was Jake's second contract with the Panthers.  It was stupid, emotional, and financially irresponsible on every level.

What more do you need than this:  He traded the team's #1 WR for future draft picks during a playoff run .  (not that I liked KB, but there was nothing much behind him).  Who does that? 

 

[heel31ok]

43 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah... I'm pretty sure you don't know what "abstain" means.

That's not shocking. Based on your previous posts, I'd say you don't know the meaning of a lot of words.

Looks like you are wrong on many fronts...but that isn't any new revelation...but you are consistent

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

People sure have short memories. DG was dealing with stupid MH contracts nearly the entire time he was here.  Marty showed time and time again that he was out of his league, like when the Colts knew that the Panthers were in love with Armanti Edwards so they bluffed picking him. MH trades up--for a small school, diminutive QB that he planned to use as a WR and in a gimmick offense.

Maybe his best move (after giving in to Rivera and drafting Cam) was to sign Jake Delhomme to his first contract with the Panthers.  But in true Marty Hurney fashion, his worst move was Jake's second contract with the Panthers.  It was stupid, emotional, and financially irresponsible on every level.

What more do you need than this:  He traded the team's #1 WR during a playoff run.  (not that I liked KB, but there was nothing much behind him).  Who does that? 

There are several stories that lead you to the impression that Marty's reputation around the league was that of someone you could take advantage of.

He did manage to make a couple of decent trades, but those trades of future first rounders? Ouch.

[heel31ok]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

People sure have short memories. DG was dealing with stupid MH contracts nearly the entire time he was here.  Marty showed time and time again that he was out of his league, like when the Colts knew that the Panthers were in love with Armanti Edwards so they bluffed picking him. MH trades up--for a small school, diminutive QB that he planned to use as a WR and in a gimmick offense.

Maybe his best move (after giving in to Rivera and drafting Cam) was to sign Jake Delhomme to his first contract with the Panthers.  But in true Marty Hurney fashion, his worst move was Jake's second contract with the Panthers.  It was stupid, emotional, and financially irresponsible on every level.

What more do you need than this:  He traded the team's #1 WR during a playoff run.  (not that I liked KB, but there was nothing much behind him).  Who does that? 

 

Lol , though shocking, the KB trade was way less tragic than first thought to be...

[MHS831]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

There are several stories that lead you to the impression that Marty's reputation around the league was that of someone you could take advantage of.

He did manage to make a couple of decent trades, but those trades of future first rounders? Ouch.

You have coaches and scouts in your ear about talent for months.  All you really have to do is negotiate well in free agency and gamble a bit in the draft, but you must stay objective.  That is not tolerated here.  They are about loyalty, and Marty showed that he can be a pawn if that is what the boss wanted.  DG stayed away from that mess, fwiw. 

I think the Patriots loved dealing with MH...akin to looting a store after a bad court ruling.

[MHS831]

18 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

Lol , though shocking, the KB trade was way less tragic than first thought to be...

  It was shocking and very risky for an interim GM...Did it turn out to be smart? You nor I know, but in terms of 2017--no. Time will tell, but how many legit GMs would (knowing that Clay, Byrd, and Samuel were either injured or returning from injury-out of shape) would risk appearing to abandon ship during an 11-5 season by trading their #1 WR for a middle round future pick? 

The trade was Hurney trying to demonstrate to everyone how great he could be, but while I personally liked the trade, timing is everything.

 

[heel31ok]

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

  It was shocking and very risky for an interim GM...Did it turn out to be smart? You nor I know, but in terms of 2017--no. Time will tell, but how many legit GMs would (knowing that Clay, Byrd, and Samuel were either injured or returning from injury-out of shape) would risk appearing to abandon ship during an 11-5 season by trading their #1 WR for a middle round future pick? 

The trade was Hurney trying to demonstrate to everyone how great he could be, but while I personally liked the trade, timing is everything.

 

Since you say you dont know if it was smart the rest of your explanation is just BS...

[carpanfan96]

5 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

  It was shocking and very risky for an interim GM...Did it turn out to be smart? You nor I know, but in terms of 2017--no. Time will tell, but how many legit GMs would (knowing that Clay, Byrd, and Samuel were either injured or returning from injury-out of shape) would risk appearing to abandon ship during an 11-5 season by trading their #1 WR for a middle round future pick? 

The trade was Hurney trying to demonstrate to everyone how great he could be, but while I personally liked the trade, timing is everything.

 

Still think it was great timing. It's not what was behind KB but the fact he was playing with Funchess and the team liked Funchess more. 

 

You don't play two Wrs with the same route tree, it was stupid. Didn't want to bench him as that would have been worse for the team as it would've been less likely to get something of value for him after the season. 

 

Flat out it was a good move

[MHS831]

3 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

Since you say you dont know if it was smart the rest of your explanation is just BS...

No, anyone who says they know is full of BS---which should hit close to home.  Time will tell.  My beef was the timing-- I am sorry these threads do not allow for illustrations to assist the literacy-challenged posters.