Panthers put interim GM Marty Hurney on paid leave after ex-wife’s allegations

[Mr. Scot]

19 minutes ago, Kevin Greene said:

Seems like there's a pretty good PR campaign going on here and Social Media via various avenues.

Like how Gantt acted as if the other candidates were not only unqualified but also had no connection to Rivera and Turner?

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Woodie said:

Based on what you said, you did show a lack of understanding of NC employment law.  If you have information that changes the known facts, then it invalidates your entire rant here.  If you read what I said carefully, it is all predicated on the known information, that's all.  I laid out what we know, so if you know anything that is not public knowledge, then please share, otherwise hold your sanctimonious responses. 

And anytime someone calls you out, why is it you get all condescending?  You say you try to lead people to the answer, but what you are actually doing is saying everyone should believe as you do, but without all the information you claim to have.  Then when they argue, you get all patronizing towards them.  You have contacts and insights most here do not, so rather than talk down to them when they are missing pieces to the story, maybe you should better explain your reasoning.

Speaking for myself (not Riot) I actually was and am aware of the things you mentioned, but had forgotten about them right up until you did.

That's the value of an open discussion.  Sometimes it reminds you of things you didn't remember on your own.

[Clicheking]

This team.....this fugging team

[Woodie]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Speaking for myself (not Riot) I actually was and am aware of the things you mentioned, but had forgotten about them right up until you did.

That's the value of an open discussion.  Sometimes it reminds you of things you didn't remember on your own.

Situations like this are always far more complicated than what they appear to be on the surface.  And I have enough experience with the law to understand that most of the time it comes down to provable facts.  And that's the rub.  It often appears obvious what is happening, but if you can't prove it, it doesn't matter.  Also, language is a fickle thing.  Even if it seems clear what is meant, it can often be construed differently, depending on the context and individual perception.  

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Woodie said:

Situations like this are always far more complicated than what they appear to be on the surface.  And I have enough experience with the law to understand that most of the time it comes down to provable facts.  And that's the rub.  It often appears obvious what is happening, but if you can't prove it, it doesn't matter.  Also, language is a fickle thing.  Even if it seems clear what is meant, it can often be construed differently, depending on the context and individual perception.  

I won't claim to be an expert in employment law.  I know a thing or two but I'd definitely defer to you on that front.

Bottom line for me is it just seems the Panthers are prepared to move heaven and earth to make sure Marty Hurney gets the GM job, regardless of whether or not it's actually the best thing for the team.

That obviously points to Jerry Richardson pulling the strings.

[Mr. Scot]

Steve Reed explains why he hasn't mentioned the story till now...

 

[Woodie]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I won't claim to be an expert in employment law.  I know a thing or two but I'd definitely defer to you on that front.

Bottom line for me is it just seems the Panthers are prepared to move heaven and earth to make sure Marty Hurney gets the GM job, regardless of whether or not it's actually the best thing for the team.

That obviously points to Jerry Richardson pulling the strings.

I don't claim to be an expert either, but I did work for a fortune 100 corporation in HR.  My area of focus involved working through all aspects of the employment and employee management process, which involved talking almost daily with our corporate legal team.  So I do have a base knowledge.  

It does appear the team was just going through the motions by interviewing anyone not named Marty Hurney.  And quite honestly, I think if the team believes he'll be exonerated, they will probably let Rivera run the football side and hold his spot until the investigation is finished (to most fan's consternation).  But that also comes with the assumption that they have some idea of the timeline the NFL is working with.  If they have no idea if it will be resolved quickly or drag on for several months, it would put them in a bit of a bind.  They need a GM, but how long can they reasonable hold off naming one?  

 

[Mr. Scot]

19 minutes ago, Woodie said:

I don't claim to be an expert either, but I did work for a fortune 100 corporation in HR.  My area of focus involved working through all aspects of the employment and employee management process, which involved talking almost daily with our corporate legal team.  So I do have a base knowledge.  

It does appear the team was just going through the motions by interviewing anyone not named Marty Hurney.  And quite honestly, I think if the team believes he'll be exonerated, they will probably let Rivera run the football side and hold his spot until the investigation is finished (to most fan's consternation).  But that also comes with the assumption that they have some idea of the timeline the NFL is working with.  If they have no idea if it will be resolved quickly or drag on for several months, it would put them in a bit of a bind.  They need a GM, but how long can they reasonable hold off naming one? 

I get the sense that "reasonable" isn't a factor here.

Marty Hurney will be the GM no matter how long it takes or whatever obstacles Jerry Richardson has to overcome to make it happen.

[Woodie]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I get the sense that "reasonable" isn't a factor here.

Marty Hurney will be the GM no matter how long it takes or whatever obstacles Jerry Richardson has to overcome to make it happen.

I do think JR wants to give Hurney a going away present.  So, I see it as very possible they wait on the legal issues to be resolved. 

From a fairness standpoint, it is probably what they should do (since he was pretty much locked into the job prior to this popping up).  However, from a football perspective, it might not be in the best interest of the team to wait, especially if it can be months down the road before the investigation is complete. 

But at what point do they inform the other GM candidates they are going in a different direction?  If they tell them before Hurney's legal problems are resolved and he's able to be hired, it will look uncomfortably like the search and interviews were a sham (even if it was, they don't want it to look that way).  It will invite a lot of scrutiny, and probably result in a Rooney Rule investigation.  Anything short of a quick resolution or the team moving on could be bad for the team.

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, Woodie said:

I do think JR wants to give Hurney a going away present.  So, I see it as very possible they wait on the legal issues to be resolved. 

From a fairness standpoint, it is probably what they should do (since he was pretty much locked into the job prior to this popping up).  However, from a football perspective, it might not be in the best interest of the team to wait, especially if it can be months down the road before the investigation is complete. 

But at what point do they inform the other GM candidates they are going in a different direction?  If they tell them before Hurney's legal problems are resolved and he's able to be hired, it will look uncomfortably like the search and interviews were a sham (even if it was, they don't want it to look that way).  It will invite a lot of scrutiny, and probably result in a Rooney Rule investigation.  Anything short of a quick resolution or the team moving on could be bad for the team.

Agree completely, but I've never gotten the sense they're all that aware of the kind of image they present.

We know Richardson has a habit of rewarding / promoting people who are loyal to him whether they're actually qualified for the job or not.  Apparently, he's either blissfully unaware that this is a dumb thing to do or he just doesn't see it as a problem.

Either way, the team pays the price, and ultimately so do the fans.  But Richardson either doesn't see it that way or doesn't care, soooo...

[Woodie]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Agree completely, but I've never gotten the sense they're all that aware of the kind of image they present.

We know Richardson has a habit of rewarding / promoting people who are loyal to him whether they're actually qualified for the job or not.  Apparently, he's either blissfully unaware that this is a dumb thing to do or he just doesn't see it as a problem.

Either way, the team pays the price.

I think they are very aware of their image on a global scale, but they sometimes miss how the smaller things can also hurt their image.  JR strikes me as the kind of person that sometimes can't understand how everybody doesn't see things the way he does.  I know a lot of people like that, and it sometimes makes them seem oblivious to anything that doesn't fit their way of thinking.  So, JR probably doesn't think he's doing anything wrong, just rewarding someone that has been loyal to him over the years before he steps away.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Woodie said:

I think they are very aware of their image on a global scale, but they sometimes miss how the smaller things can also hurt their image.  JR strikes me as the kind of person that sometimes can't understand how everybody doesn't see things the way he does.  I know a lot of people like that, and it sometimes makes them seem oblivious to anything that doesn't fit their way of thinking.  So, JR probably doesn't think he's doing anything wrong, just rewarding someone that has been loyal to him over the years before he steps away.

Makes a lot of sense.

[Kevin Greene]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Like how Gantt acted as if the other candidates were not only unqualified but also had no connection to Rivera and Turner?

That plus more of a local level. Certainly the National media isn't going to jump on board. By local I might refer to folks who might stand to lose access or influence with entirely new ownership/management at BofA.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Kevin Greene said:

That plus more of a local level. Certainly the National media isn't going to jump on board. By local I might refer to folks who might stand to lose access or influence with entirely new ownership/management at BofA.

Ah, I see.