Panthers put interim GM Marty Hurney on paid leave after ex-wife’s allegations

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

I understand why many want another GM...but Marty did a good job last year....especially with the buffalo trade.

There wasn't really much of a job left to do last year. The draft and free agency had already been taken care of.

It'd be kinda like someone coming on to a project team after a presentation was already prepared, changing one slide and then getting credit for the whole thing.

[TheMaulClaw]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

There wasn't really much of a job left to do last year. The draft and free agency had already been taken care of.

It'd be kinda like someone coming on to a project team after a presentation was already prepared, changing one slide and then taking credit for the whole thing.

I get that analogy.  It's because he didn't get to go through FA and the draft that I believe he should get one full season.  Like a one year prove it deal.  I don't think any of the other candidates are more qualified then Marty...And Marty knows the team and the coaching staff better then any of the other candidates. I think he's best equipped to manage the team while a new owner is put in place. Many didn't expect him to do anything when he was hired to be GM...the fact that he did that trade took balls and it turned out to be a great trade. I say let Marty conduct the draft and FA and see where it goes from there.  It's not that I don't think there are better options out there...but I don't think the candidates that are available this year are any better then what we have...So might as well keep the chemistry and continuity.

[Doc Holiday]

42 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd still rather have one of the other candidates, and it's got absolutely nothing to do with this story.

This whole thing is just a convoluted mess now.

Here is what I’m wondering, let’s say we hire the perfect person, and the new owner fires them just becuase it was the previous owners guy? Do not doubt that the new owner will want a huge say in how the team is run. You don’t spend $2B on a team and just watch.

dont worry about the GM search now, yeah it’s the only thing worth talking about at the moment.  but it’s really just a bunch of pointless poo till the new owner takes over.

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

I get that analogy.  It's because he didn't get to go through FA and the draft that I believe he should get one full season.  Like a one year prove it deal.  I don't think any of the other candidates are more qualified then Marty...And Marty knows the team and the coaching staff better then any of the other candidates. I think he's best equipped to manage the team while a new owner is put in place. Many didn't expect him to do anything when he was hired to be GM...the fact that he did that trade took balls and it turned out to be a great trade. I say let Marty conduct the draft and FA and see where it goes from there.  It's not that I don't think there are better options out there...but I don't think the candidates that are available this year are any better then what we have...So might as well keep the chemistry and continuity.

Chemistry and continuity were the reasons we kept Mike Shula.

Said it elsewhere: Every other candidate on the list has been good enough at what they do to be hired for a high level executive job by somebody other than Jerry Richardson, and all by more than one organization.

When Hurney was fired, no other team in the league called to offer him a job, not even as a consultant. Any team could have had his services for four years. Nobody wanted them.

That says something.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

Here is what I’m wondering, let’s say we hire the perfect person, and the new owner fires them just becuase it was the previous owners guy? Do not doubt that the new owner will want a huge say in how the team is run. You don’t spend $2B on a team and just watch.

dont worry about the GM search now, yeah it’s the only thing worth talking about at the moment.  but it’s really just a bunch of pointless poo till the new owner takes over.

Granted, anything could happen with the new owner. But I don't think that's an excuse not to do what's best while we're waiting to find out who that's going to be.

[SOJA]

Hurney lovers have never done anything other than missionary because "it's what I know"

[SOJA]

2 hours ago, Paa Langfart said:

I hope every one of you jerks who are so quick to find Marty Hurney guilty of something he probably never did get the karma you deserve.  If you read the article you can see that there is a preponderance of evidence that this is nothing but a case of a vindictive ex who wants to ruin her ex husbands life because she is jealous of him and his new wife.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22350206/marty-hurney-carolina-panthers-paid-administrative-leave-ex-wife-files-complaint-harassment

careful by your logic you just put bad karma on yourself 

[TheMaulClaw]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Chemistry and continuity were the reasons we kept Mike Shula.

Said it elsewhere: Every other candidate on the list has been good enough at what they do to be hired for a high level executive job by somebody other than Jerry Richardson, and all by more than one organization.

When Hurney was fired, no other team in the league called to offer him a job, not even as a consultant. Any team could have had his services for four years. Nobody wanted them.

That says something.

I don't think Hurney had anything to do with the Shula era. Also OC and GM are too different of positions with different sort of impacts...So much so I don't think you can make that comparison. Don't forget how much Hurney is responsible for the core of our team. When the team went to the SB...that was still largely Hurneys team. Like I said there are better options but not this year.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, TheMaulClaw said:

I don't think Hurney had anything to do with the Shula era. Also OC and GM are too different of positions with different sort of impacts...So much so I don't think you can make that comparison. Don't forget how much Hurney is responsible for the core of our team. When the team went to the SB...that was still largely Hurneys team. Like I said there are better options but not this year.

Hurney wasn't around for Shula's promotion, but continuity was the primary reason behind it. Continuity is really only a positive if the person that you're continuing with is good at their job. Hurney isn't.

And yes, Hurney gets credit for the core. He also gets blame for the pieces placed around that core, and the whole only being good enough to get a 7-9 record or worse.

[top dawg]

11 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd be happy if Marty Hurney wasn't the GM here anymore. I would not be happy in any way, shape or form to see his life destroyed. 

 Someone I know was falsely accused of molesting kids, so I've seen up close the kind of damage a false accusation can do.  I've also seen a friend that I strongly defended against an allegation of date rape turn out to actually be guilty.  That was just as bad.  And having been divorced before and been around others who've divorced, I've seen just how ugly domestic situations where people's emotions run high can get.

None of this screams "good situation" to me.

Again, you haven't got a clue about me and you haven't understood most of what I've said, yet you still suggested that I would be okay with a terrible thing happening and tried to deflect when you were called on it.  So yes, that makes you an asshole.

In fairness,  all @RoaringRiot suggested was that some of you are going overboard in somehow trying to use this as a reasonable justification to effectively can Hurney, despite this situation looking like TOTAL B.S.

Sure,  this could go any number of ways,  but there is no need to do mental gymnastics in order to rationalize the ultimate outcome that you desire, which is the Panthers moving on from Marty (as the GM). 

Moving On From Marty.  Sounds like a good book title. 

 

[top dawg]

21 minutes ago, SOJA said:

Hurney lovers have never done anything other than missionary because "it's what I know"

I can't think of anyone that actually loves Marty Hurney.  That's a gross misinterpretation of what people who have taken a more analytical approach towards the notion of Hurney as the GM have argued.

[SOJA]

11 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I can't think of anyone that actually loves Marty Hurney.  That's a gross misinterpretation of what people who have taken a more analytical approach towards the notion of Hurney as the GM have argued.

have you met Krovvy?

[All about the Benjamin]

I don't like Hurney either, but I wouldn't wish false claims of harassment on anyone. Especially seeing as how this conveniently happens when he gets his big job back.

[Snake]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

There wasn't really much of a job left to do last year. The draft and free agency had already been taken care of.

It'd be kinda like someone coming on to a project team after a presentation was already prepared, changing one slide and then getting credit for the whole thing.

We all could have done what Hurney did last year.