Ted Ginn 2.0

[Soul Rebel]

I believe Samuel & Byrd can be great slot guys and dependable WRs for us. 

I think a really good TE prospect like the Penn State or Wisconsin guys in the draft, along with a FA WR is the proper formula. We have the youth at WR and have spent draft picks lately on the position, so why continue dumping early picks on WR when we already have young guys with potential already in the fold.

A stud TE option opposite Greg will do more for us in the draft than another WR. A veteran WR like Lee, Richardson, etc. would make more sense, IMO for what our offense lacks.

Samuel showed enough flash before the injury as did Byrd. Unless Ridley falls to 24, I don't want us to sniff a WR until day 3 and even then, it would have to be a value selection.

I fully beleieve Samuel and Byrd provide us what we need opposite Funch and Olsen. I do think we need another WR but it needs to be a vet, and better than the usual Russell Shepard/Tiquan Underwood/Jason Avant mold. 

[AU-panther]

I’m not sure why everyone is looking for a Ginn replacement.  

I want us to find an experienced, quality outside receiver that has enough speed to keep defenses honest.  I think we need somebody a little more versatile.  Good hands, tough catches, and speed.

Between Samuel, Bryd, and CMC I think we can be ok in the slot. Also if we draft a more traditional RB that might increase CMC’s time in the slot.

Personally I think it our #1 priority during free agency, even over resigning our own players. I don’t want to depend on a draft pick.  If we sign a FA receiver we can draft one later to develop.  That would free up our first round draft pick to address other needs.

 

[Icege]

I don't understand how people can say that we have unknown commodities in Samuel & Byrd only to turn around and say that we need to draft a #1 WR. We are still going with an unknown commodity given that logic.

Funchess, Samuel, and Byrd are solid targets.

CMC and Olsen are also quality weapons.

We have upgraded the offense already by getting rid of Shula.

I would feel more comfortable getting a top center to replace Kalil that can also line up at guard should we lose Norwell.

#2 TE I think would be more helpful if we had to go with a weapon

[Mr. Scot]

Wouldn't necessarily call him Ted Ginn but I saw where the Rams are likely to part ways with Tavon Austin this year.

[Manther]

18 hours ago, Icege said:

I don't understand how people can say that we have unknown commodities in Samuel & Byrd only to turn around and say that we need to draft a #1 WR. We are still going with an unknown commodity given that logic.

Funchess, Samuel, and Byrd are solid targets.

CMC and Olsen are also quality weapons.

We have upgraded the offense already by getting rid of Shula.

I would feel more comfortable getting a top center to replace Kalil that can also line up at guard should we lose Norwell.

#2 TE I think would be more helpful if we had to go with a weapon

I think most of us want a FA deal, so it is a proven commodity.

[LinvilleGorge]

22 hours ago, SCO96 said:

Years ago I read an article about Terrell Davis back in the late 90's. Rod Smith was commenting on TD's 40 time. The interviewer asked him where would TD finish in a team race. He said something to the effect of "Near the back of the pack". But he added on game day "he's probably the fastest guy on our team".

I've talked to several former football players and most will say that 40 time and actual game speed are totally different, something my pea brain has never fully comprehended.

 

There's a lot of factors to this. One, no one is taking off on a football field out of a track stance. The takeoff plays a big factor in a 40 time and that takeoff out of a track stance is virtually irrelevant in an actual football game. The closest you get to seeing that on a football field is a DE coming off the edge on 3rd and long out a three point stance. Secondly, it's very rare to run 40 yards in a straight line unimpeded during a football game. Thirdly, it doesn't take into account things like anticipation, field vision, instincts, etc. That 4.6 guy very well may play faster than a 4.4 guy because he has better anticipation and instincts so he's essentially playing football with a head start even though in terms of pure running speed he's the slower guy.

[Davidson Deac II]

On 2/6/2018 at 9:15 AM, Thorrez said:

40 time is one thing, top speed another and I have yet to see either of Samuel or Byrd show a top speed even close to Ginn. 

Byrd has certainly shown that he has top speed. Or football speed if you prefer.  He probably has more than Ginn right now.  The only questions  at this point are, was his performance the late season an exception or a look at what he can do, ie can he continue to make tough catches and get open? And can he stay healthy.

[Manther]

1 hour ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Byrd has certainly shown that he has top speed. Or football speed if you prefer.  He probably has more than Ginn right now.  The only questions  at this point are, was his performance the late season an exception or a look at what he can do, ie can he continue to make tough catches and get open? And can he stay healthy.

I was impressed with him in preseason last year, thought he should have made the list then.

[OriginalPantherDan]

On 2/6/2018 at 9:00 AM, RumHam said:

Window is closing. We need proven playmakers to step in. Not waiting around for another receiver to develop. That has been a very long process over the course of 15 years. Funchess finally has gotten to a point, but he's no number 1. We waited around for KB just to trade him. Samuel and Byrd can still develop, but there's no way in fuging hell that we enter next season with these three guys and russell shepherd as our receiving core. And no, not paying minimum for someone like Tyrell Williams is going to work either. We need to match our pro bowl - hall of fame qb with the same type of receiver. It'll just make everyone better around him too. We also can't just sit around and think Olsen is dependable after this past year. If we wanna win now, we gotta open the check book. 

You know who is great at keeping windows open? A competent left tackle. 

[JARROD]

Ted Ginn 2.0 may not play football again.

we need to go get a FA or 2 and draft a WR also. Get 3.

[MHS831]

On 2/6/2018 at 11:46 AM, CRA said:

What was he drafted to be if not a slot and backfield threat? I mean that is what he has proven he can do well.   Heck when he was drafted the talk was how curious it was because we just spent a first rounder on a guy who filled the role. 

Could he develop into more? Possibly. 

We needed a legit vertical threat this past year and now need one this year.  That still ain’t Samuel.  Even if he develops, nothing suggests he can be THAT as quick as we need it. 

I am taking this from the perspective of Norv Turner--not Shula, so why he was drafted is subject to change.   He is a closer clone of Percy Harvin if you ask me--

[MHS831]

5 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Ted Ginn 2.0 may not play football again.

we need to go get a FA or 2 and draft a WR also. Get 3.

Snake bit---scary.  He and Byrd doing the same job can't even fill out one uniform on game day.

[JARROD]

Well anyone who watched Torrey Smith and Alshon Jeffrey on what it means to catch deep balls, adjusting to the ball and bringing down over the shoulder,...

we have NO ONE who can do that. NO ONE. The closest was Benjamin and he’s gone in some kind of extension to this conspiracy happening the whole year.

so we need 3 new receivers,  Funchess can stay, of course Samuel will be around on IR until they give up, Byrd the same,..

in the mean time trade for Sammy Watkins or Josh Gordon, go get Emmanuel Sanders or Mike Wallace,... and then draft the best tightend we can do Dickson can walk. 

go get Cam a real receiving corps please.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, Marcogreenbush said:

Ginn was a star in college . Samuel was good but he wasn't on ginns level 

Offensively speaking, Samuel's final season at OSU absolutely dwarfed anything Ginn did at the college level. Samuel damn near equaled Ginn's entire offensive collegiate career in one season.

Samuel's final season at OSU: 

97 carries for 771 yards and 8 TDs, 74 catches for 865 yards and 7 TDs for a total of 1636 yards from scrimmage and 15 TDs.

Ginn's entire college career:

28 carries for 213 yards and 3 TDs, 135 catches for 1943 yards and 15 TDs for a total of 2156 yards from scrimmage and 18 TDs.

The majority of Ginn's stardom came from his work as a returner. He had over 1900 yards and 8 TDs as a punt/kickoff returner. His special teams yardage nearly equaled his offensive production.