Cowards don't win championships. Is Ron Rivera a cowardly head coach?

[osd22]

He plays "not to lose". That sucks big time and very likely never wins us a SB.

[Mr. Scot]

35 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Listen up guys and gals.....

Almost every single HC in the league coaches like Ron, it's what the book says, and if there is a larger group of millionaires in the world than NFL coaches that are scared of doing things differently I don't know them.

I wouldn't go that far.  There are plenty of coaches out there today that I wouldn't consider nearly as risk-averse as Rivera.

Besides Belichick, guys like Payton, Tomlin, Carroll, McVay, Shanahan and others have all been known to go a little crazy sometimes.

[Doc Holiday]

Y’all would totally kill the goose that lays the golden egg. I’m so glad y’all have no say in the team.

You do realize that we’ve been to just as many playoff appearances and have had just as many winning seasons since Rivera took over as the previous 16 years before his arrival combined right? 

Is our goal to win the super bowl every year? Yes, should we fire a coach becuase he hasn’t won one yet? No.

Winning a super bowl takes a lot of things going right for you, not to mention a good amount of luck. It should be our goal but also not the sole  test for being a good year or not. This past season was a good year for us, and I think Rivera did an excellent job... by getting this team to play beyond its talent! 

If you don’t think the 2017 Panthers didn’t have some serious talent issues and short falls you have another thing coming. Our 2015 unit would beat the wheels off the 2017 unit based on talent alone. It’s not magic that 37 year old Peppers put up 12 sacks this year, it’s coaching your team and players up! Rivera did an excellent job this year getting us to play beyond our talent this year.

Rivera has done nothing shy of an excellent coaching job in Carolina and y’all are fuging crazy if you think otherwise!

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Doc Holiday said:

Y’all would totally kill the goose that lays the golden egg. I’m so glad y’all have no say in the team.

You do realize that we’ve been to just as many playoff appearances and have had just as many winning seasons since Rivera took over as the previous 16 years before his arrival combined right? 

Is our goal to win the super bowl every year? Yes, should we fire a coach becuase he hasn’t won one yet? No.

Winning a super bowl takes a lot of things going right for you, not to mention a good amount of luck. It should be our goal but also not the sole  test for being a good year or not. This past season was a good year for us, and I think Rivera did an excellent job... by getting this team to play beyond its talent! 

If you don’t think the 2017 Panthers didn’t have some serious talent issues and short falls you have another thing coming. Our 2015 unit would beat the wheels off the 2017 unit based on talent alone. It’s not magic that 37 year old Peppers put up 12 sacks this year, it’s coaching your team and players up! Rivera did an excellent job this year getting us to play beyond our talent this year.

Rivera has done nothing shy of an excellent coaching job in Carolina and y’all are fuging crazy if you think otherwise!

You think consistently allowing teams to climb back in games we're leading is an example of "excellent coaching"?

[thefuzz]

44 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I wouldn't go that far.  There are plenty of coaches out there today that I wouldn't consider nearly as risk-averse as Rivera.

Besides Belichick, guys like Payton, Tomlin, Carroll, McVay, Shanahan and others have all been known to go a little crazy sometimes.

Agree, but many of the coaches out there do prefer to punt on 4th and 2 vs go for it....they will talk all day about it, and shrivel up almost every time.

Also, much easier to be a gambler after you have won a trophy or two...much more job security.

[Doc Holiday]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You think consistently allowing teams to climb back in games we're leading is an example of "excellent coaching"?

Hey, other team plays football too. A lot of people forget that. I think if you look at the league on average most teams do make a push and don’t just lie down. 

Panthers came back and made a push with a chance to beat the saints in the playoffsthis year and the following week the Saints came back and should have beaten the Vikings. Patriots came back and beat the Jags in the AFCC.

other team plays football too. End of the day Rivera’s record speaks for itself and it’s pretty good  in case y’all forgot.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

Hey, other team plays football too. A lot of people forget that. I think if you look at the league on average most teams do make a push and don’t just lie down. 

Panthers came back and made a push with a chance to beat the saints in the playoffsthis year and the following week the Saints came back and should have beaten the Vikings. Patriots came back and beat the Jags in the AFCC.

other team plays football too. End of the day Rivera’s record speaks for itself and it’s pretty good  in case y’all forgot.

Come on, Doc.  That's a cop out.

Rivera goes soft on both sides of the ball when he has a lead.  We all know it.  The vast majority of us hate it.

[tailg8or]

HC is too big of a job for Ron to do effectively.  Not a dig at the man as he is doing what he believes is right.  Not all coordinators are cut-out to be HC (i.e. Capers).  Ron is not a cerebral coach.  He has a plan (somewhat outdated) and a belief on how to win football games ... and sticks to it no matter what.  Predictable, dangerously conservative and according to plan.   Probably learned it from Ditka or others along the way.  When it doesn't go well, you get that 'deer in the headlights look' as he will never out-scheme another coach.  Veterans will like him as he values experience more than he should.  Special talents (i.e. Cam) will not reach their potential as they will be forced to do things the way they have always been done.  He remembers how long it took him to become a HC and won't deviate far from script and take unnecessary risk.  Truthfully, he probably loves 'Riverboat Ron' because in reality, it implies taking necessary risk ... which is not his MO. 

[Doc Holiday]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Come on, Doc.  That's a cop out.

Rivera goes soft on both sides of the ball when he has a lead.  We all know it.  The vast majority of us hate it.

And we all complained about Jon Fox doing the same thing. It is what it is!

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Doc Holiday said:

And we all complained about Jon Fox doing the same thing. It is what it is!

That's part of the problem.  Rivera basically is a slightly more successful version of John Fox.

The same overly conservative nature, the same disregard of offense, the same preference for veterans (even when they're bad), heck even the same stupid left-right corner scheme.

As long as Jerry Richardson and/or Marty Hurney are doing the coaching hires, that's what you're going to get.

[hepcat]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's part of the problem.  Rivera basically is a slightly more successful version of John Fox.

The same overly conservative nature, the same disregard of offense, the same preference for veterans (even when they're bad), heck even the same stupid left-right corner scheme.

As long as Jerry Richardson and/or Marty Hurney are doing the coaching hires, that's what you're going to get.

The only difference between Fox and Rivera is Rivera doesn't hate using TE's as receivers.

[bobsfoodbasics]

it's so hard watching this team, with incompetence standing there with his arms crossed along the sidelines.

[Darvinsun]

4 hours ago, top dawg said:

 

Rivera is an ok coach who will get you to the ship but if his team is playing in a game where pressure is mounting he will fold and get out coach because he lacks the offensive side of the ball. He gives his defense all the chances in the world to win the game  when sometimes it takes guts to go with the offense and say hey Cam you are the leader of the offense go do your thing. If it was bc he did not trust Shula then it' still his fault bc he had the power to replace him or whoever he lacked confidence in. Now Norv is here let' see if his coaching style changes.

[ras977]

1 hour ago, bobsfoodbasics said:

it's so hard watching this team, with incompetence standing there with his arms crossed along the sidelines.

I have to give him credit for "steering the ship" in a difficult year.

He does motivate the players.

Lets see what Turner brings to the table.