Eagles Just Showed That Playcalling and Offensive Personnel Can Win a Super Bowl

[Fox007]

Just now, raleigh-panther said:

One thing about ground and pound, Brady would be on the sideline

the Eagles did a lot of surgical running,  not on first down, and it paid off.  When they abandoned that approach, NE took the lead

Ask any NFL player and they will tell you the same thing

The Eagles had the ball for 7:10 in the 4th quarter on the drive that gave them the lead...just one drive...you can play ball control without running on every 1st and 2nd down. Rivera too dumb to understand that though.

[raleigh-panther]

Just now, Fox007 said:

The Eagles had the ball for 7:10 in the 4th quarter on the drive that gave them the lead...just one drive...you can play ball control without running on every 1st and 2nd down. Rivera too dumb to understand that though.

Not disputing that Fox007

disputing the theory that running the football is archaic.  Take away those RBs from Philly and the timing of the runs, who,e different outcome

[Fox007]

1 minute ago, raleigh-panther said:

Not disputing that Fox007

disputing the theory that running the football is archaic.  Take away those RBs from Philly and the timing of the runs, who,e different outcome

Yea the Eagles had 164 yards rushing with a 90 yard rusher.....so....its more when you run. Every 1st down and most 2nd downs won't cut it.

[Snake]

Defense won the game. If not for there line adjustment in the 4th Tom scores and wins the game. Sometimes defense is about limiting the offense and that's exactly what they did. 

[panthers55]

The Eagles actually have been a defensive team all year scoring enough to win but not being an offensive juggernaut. This was actually more uncharacteristic of them compared to the season which was really before Foles and after Foles.  So if you haven't watched them all year you might think they were a pass first team but they weren't. They were balanced which is what you want.....

[tiger7_88]

38 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

disputing the theory that running the football is archaic

Running the football is not archaic and that's not what Saca said anyway.

Running the football as your PRIMARY OFFENSIVE FOCUS *is* archaic.  NFL rules which allow easily called pass interference and defensive holding, NFL rules designed to create a halo of protection around the QB in the pocket on a pass play (with the Cam Newton Exception to these rules noted), NFL rules allowing OL to basically legally hold in comparison to what used to be called holding in the days of ground-and-pound... THESE are the things that have made the run-centric ground-and-pound offenses archaic.

And, again, if you read the above and still think what me and Saca and Fox and Nanuq etc. etc. are saying is that "running the football is archaic", then I suggest you work much harder on your reading comprehension skills.

[heel31ok]

10 hours ago, Saca312 said:

The whole game also showed ground and pound is as archaic as it gets in today’s NFL.

Never did the run establish play-action. Everyone literally went straight to play-action passes and it worked because that’s how football actually works.

Today’s league is a passing league. And we’re about to fall behind because Rivera wants us to be 1st in time of possession instead of 2nd.

Disgree...you gotta be  able to run...

[tiger7_88]

4 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

Disgree...you gotta be  able to run...

Sometimes I wonder if y'all read what was actually posted or some weirdly concocted post in your head that you believe in more.

Nothing in Saca's post even implied that an NFL team doesn't need to be able to run the ball.  

But if you're denying that the NFL is a passing league, then you're the one that's deluding yourself.

[CPcavedweller]

11 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

Yea there was a huge defensive play they had near the end but most of that game was on the fact that the Eagles scored well enough to beat the Patriots while their defense was getting beat like a drum for alot of the game.

Eagles totally transformed their team in a fairly short amount of time after they had the fiasco with Chip Kelley . They got better coaching staff, and very key was last offseason where they picked up two very good WRs in Alshon Jeffrey and Torrey Smith. They changed the role of Nelson Agahlor to the slot which better suited his skills. And they traded for Jay Ajayi and got Legarret Blount in the offseason. Its just continuing to prove that change is nessasary to win the big one. 

Alot of people here are a liltle confused/worried about the future considering are getting a new owner, new OC, and great players are declaring its their last season in 2018 (Kalil, Davis) while our other franchise players are aging quickly (Greg will be 33, Stew will be 31, Cam will be 29 , and Luke will be 27) . 

I think I feel fairly positive now, but its really up to how either Hurney/new GM does the offseason and draft. But I know things can chance very quickly , either by draft (ex. Saints), or free agency/coaching changes (ex. Eagles, Rams) .  Here's to hoping we can get a player like Mike Wallace and another good WR.  And either get a good young power back. Keep in mind we can also trade for a player too. 

I'm feeling pretty confident about Norv Turner , I think we immediately see divdens getting paid by finally having a competent OC. I think having Byrd and Samuel healthy and getting someone like Wallace in here will be huge, and also Cam and CMC having an entire complete offseason as well . I think Turner is going to really know how to use CMC well and the dude will explode in his 2nd year, he'll get more outside runs and be featured heavily in the passing game. 

. I think the draft will be mostly usgaed for defense to help us on the line and the secondary but I could be wrong. 

Overall I think we are due for a SB win and we're closer than alot of people think.  All it takes is one good offseason and a few good pieces added. Stay positive ladies and gentlemen..

 

Guess what? The Panthers were literally one team away from the Super Bowl. If we could have beat the Saints this year, they were the only real road block in the playoffs in the NFC. The game is about match-ups and we had the worst match-up on the first weekend that we could've drawn. We almost beat Philly with Wentz, beat Minnesota, Atlanta, and the Patriots; the only issue was the damn Saints. Don't act like we were that far off.

[thefuzz]

Running on 1st down to stay ahead of the down and distance is how you played football for 60 years...during that time Ron Rivera was a linebacker in the NFL.

 

Running the ball as a focus, when you have a franchise QB, is just about the dumbest thing that you can do in todays NFL....we are trying to do that still.

[CRA]

pretty sure Carolina beat NE this year and didn’t do it on a neutral field.  

Talent and matchups IMO is just as important as coaching mostly.  

Patriot D struggled in the Super Bowl with a lot of the same issues they did vs Carolina. 

[MasterAwesome]

3 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Sometimes I wonder if y'all read what was actually posted or some weirdly concocted post in your head that you believe in more.

Nothing in Saca's post even implied that an NFL team doesn't need to be able to run the ball.  

But if you're denying that the NFL is a passing league, then you're the one that's deluding yourself.

You’ve been perfectly clear on your stance, but I wouldn’t group yours and Saca’s together. It’s heavily implied in his second paragraph that you don’t need to run the football...hence how Philly came out right away with the Play-Action and it worked without them even running the ball. Therefore you can have that kind of success just by passing alone.

 

He even said later that the success they had from running the football was only a clear byproduct of the passing game...not that they complemented one another. Therefore heavily implying that the running is not necessary when the pass was so effective alone.