Eagles rode receiving makeover to Super Bowl berth. Should Panthers try that route?

[Cartel de Carolina]

Just now, Pantha-kun said:

Well things are usually on a spectrum and not just black and white like you seem to believe. Scheme is important but so is the skill of your players . If your WRs aren't skilled enough to consistently catch the football or separate from defenders that's going to drag you down no matter what offense theyre in. 

I was speaking from a general point of view. 

Scheme is not simply important. It is VERY important. 

You could have prime AP in the backfield and if you try to run against a 9 man box overplaying the run, you won't be having much success. 

A WR who isn't reliable catching the ball should not even be on our team. 

One of NE's WR ran a 4.7 or some slow butt number. You do not need to be fast to separate or get open. 

Most teams play a lot of zone to begin with so it's mostly about route running and finding the soft spot in the zone. For man it's about knowing the DB's position ie playing inside or outside and leveraging that against them. Also about calling plays to get ppl open ie rub plays etc. An NFL level athlete should be able to get open on man even if they not the fastest. 

 

 

 

[Pantha-kun]

9 minutes ago, Cartel de Carolina said:

I was speaking from a general point of view. 

Scheme is not simply important. It is VERY important. 

You could have prime AP in the backfield and if you try to run against a 9 man box overplaying the run, you won't be having much success. 

A WR who isn't reliable catching the ball should not even be on our team. 

One of NE's WR ran a 4.7 or some slow butt number. You do not need to be fast to separate or get open. 

Most teams play a lot of zone to begin with so it's mostly about route running and finding the soft spot in the zone. For man it's about knowing the DB's position ie playing inside or outside and leveraging that against them. Also about calling plays to get ppl open ie rub plays etc. An NFL level athlete should be able to get open on man even if they not the fastest. 

 

 

 

Well therin lies part of the problem as well . We have dudes like Shepard and Clay at WR who can't catch a cold , that's the most fundamental aspect of being a WR you can not do poo without catching  . Even Funchess , Benjamin struggled with that , we've been bringing in WRs who don't even have the fundamentals down and that is part of the problem . Samuel and Byrd have potential but they are also small , lightweight , and injury prone. Bersin isn't a NFL WR . 

We can't sit on the exact same dudes and expect to have game breaking passing game by just changing the OC who already said he's going to be running a similar system .  If they do that then they deserve to have an 8-8 or losing season like they always do after we just had a winning one. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

8 hours ago, Manther said:

In 2016 Torry Smith had 20 receptions on 49 targets for 267 yards and 3 TD for the 9ers.  

In 2016 Alshon Jeffery had 52 receptions on 95 targets for 821 yards and 2 TD's for the Bears.   

These stats aren't awesome.   I think we can match it.

 

yes

[Manther]

13 hours ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

More important than getting WRs is getting an OC that knows how to call plays that put your WRs in positions to get open. Getting rid of Shula was way more important than any WR we sign.

I agree, we should see an upgrade even without personnel changes.  Scheme helps open up receivers tremendously.    But I think it wise to bring in someone with speed and hands.  

 Funchess has really stepped up, but right now we're looking for a Ginn replacement.  I'm not sure Byrd is big/sturdy enough or Samuel has the hands.  

[Manther]

13 hours ago, pstall said:

Steelers have to be kicking themselves. all that talent and not make it to AFC Champ game.  

 

Steelers were one of the most over rated teams this year.  They had one of the easiest schedules and squeaked by.   Then showed nothing in the playoffs.