Panthers Will Begin Conducting GM Interviews This Week

[Car123]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

 Could the fact that Cam led the team in rushing be related to the fact that he had no #1 WR because super Marty traded him during a playoff run?  Regardless of how it turned out, you do not do that.   Marty is an idiot.  What about this draft:  Jimmy Clausen, Brandon Lafell, Armanti Edwards, Eric Norwood...."

Just making another point to jump in...messing around. To your point, all GMs make a mistake, but you grade a draft in year 3 and you are bashing he last 2 drafts.  I expect Moton, Samuel, Hall, to play a lot next season.   Bradberry and Worley?  They were drafted to be zone CBs, but we blitzed every play last year.  Puts pressure on the CBs.  Hope we get a new one.  Marty will bring back Jeff Otah, Everette Brown, and Dwayne Jarrett.

Our running game improved with KB gone.

[Mr. Scot]

15 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

He won three times in 5 years and I don't completely give him credit for 2017 but I'll count it for him. 

Since hurney made the moves for Parlady, Gano, Seymour, Clay, Jarius Byrd, and the KB trade. I'd say he had a handprint on the season. 

My only point hasn't been necessarily defending Hurney it's been to point out that Gettleman wasn't that much better of a GM then Hurney. We shall see when Gettleman gets a few more years into it for the Giants and see. 

Tell you what. You think we're not objective enough here? Let me point you to a group that's completely objective.

Marty Hurney was available for any team to hire or at least just interview from October 2012 to July of 2017, close to five years. During that time, plenty of teams had openings for general manager or other front office positions.

Did anybody call Marty Hurney to offer him so much as consultant work? Anybody?

Most NFL owners not named Jerry Richardson care more about winning than anything else. Not a single one of them was interested in Marty Hurney as even a scout. Not even the Cleveland Browns.

If you don't feel like this board is objective enough to properly judge, how about those guys?

There's only one person in the NFL who actually thinks Marty Hurney is qualified to be a general manager. It's been clearly shown that this person has a habit of putting unqualified people in positions where they shouldn't be.

Again, it's not close who's better.

[Clicheking]

I hadn't no idea who the other candidate was, but as soon as I saw there were only two names I knew the other other name was just someone to satisfy the stipulations of the Rooney rule.

 

The sooner J.R gets away from my football team the better. Wtf hasn't he started the process of selling the team yet!!!!!

[carpanfan96]

36 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Tell you what. You think we're not objective enough here? Let me point you to a group that's completely objective.

Marty Hurney was available for any team to hire or at least just interview from October 2012 to July of 2017, close to five years. During that time, plenty of teams had openings for general manager or other front office positions.

Did anybody call Marty Hurney to offer him so much as consultant work? Anybody?

Most NFL owners not named Jerry Richardson care more about winning than anything else. Not a single one of them was interested in Marty Hurney as even a scout. Not even the Cleveland Browns.

If you don't feel like this board is objective enough to properly judge, how about those guys?

There's only one person in the NFL who actually thinks Marty Hurney is qualified to be a general manager. It's been clearly shown that this person has a habit of putting unqualified people in positions where they shouldn't be.

Again, it's not close who's better.

We will never know if anyone wanted to brjng him in because he left the team and went to espn radio not long after sometime in the middle of 2013 and then bought it early in 2014.  I don't think he wanted to be anywhere but in Carolina and that's a reason he stayed close to Rivera, JR and the players. 

As for Gettleman, reports are and you can easily find them online that thier was issues between him, the coaches and players. A pretty big rift actually and if he had stayed this team would have started to loose players left and right as well as some coaches. That's one of the reasons Hurney was brought in because he could smooth things out and was still close to the coaches and players. (Rivera, Kuechly, Davis, Olsen and Newton that I've heard) 

 

Record is one thing, pissing off your best players and your coach in their prime is another thing. The team was going to fall apart around him and he'd be in the same spot. He wasn't just fired, he agreed with JR that leaving was the best thing. 

 

Once again rose colored Gettleman glasses. 

 

I'm out though. 

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

We will never know if anyone wanted to brjng him in because he left the team and went to espn radio not long after sometime in the middle of 2013 and then bought it early in 2014.  I don't think he wanted to be anywhere but in Carolina and that's a reason he stayed close to Rivera, JR and the players. 

As for Gettleman, reports are and you can easily find them online that thier was issues between him, the coaches and players. A pretty big rift actually and if he had stayed this team would have started to loose players left and right as well as some coaches. That's one of the reasons Hurney was brought in because he could smooth things out and was still close to the coaches and players. (Rivera, Kuechly, Davis, Olsen and Newton that I've heard)

Record is one thing, pissing off your best players and your coach in their prime is another thing. The team was going to fall apart around him and he'd be in the same spot. He wasn't just fired, he agreed with JR that leaving was the best thing.

Once again rose colored Gettleman glasses.

I'm out though. 

Yeah, that's pretty much a complete reversal of reality.

We do know.  Nobody reached out to Hurney.  Nobody was interested in him.  And if he's out of a job again, it won't be any different.

As far as Gettleman, what you can find online is a lot of speculation.  You've already posted inaccurate information about what happened with Gross.  And Steve Smith, that guy you claim you don't care about, pissed that he was cut?  Shocking.  Heck, most players express nothing but love for the people that cut them, right?

And pissing off your coach?  have you got a single shred of actual evidence to back that up?  Rivera and Gettleman never showed anything but a strong working relationship.  Heck, Rivera was shocked when Gettleman was fired.  And Gettleman or Rivera agreeing it was the best?  Please.

Basically now you've gone from speculation and spin to just plain making stuff up.  But it's other people who aren't "objective"...Wow.

Reality is we're stuck with one of the worst (arguably the worst) GMs in the league,  The sooner he's gone, the better we'll be. But heaven knows our dumbass owner is going to put that off as long as he can.

[carpanfan96]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah, that's pretty much a complete reversal of reality.

We do know.  Nobody reached out to Hurney.  Nobody was interested in him.  And if he's out of a job again, it won't be any different.

As far as Gettleman, what you can find online is a lot of speculation.  You've already posted inaccurate information about what happened with Gross.  And Steve Smith, that guy you claim you don't care about, pissed that he was cut?  Shocking.  Heck, most players express nothing but love for the people that cut them, right?

And pissing off your coach?  have you got a single shred of actual evidence to back that up?  Rivera and Gettleman never showed anything but a strong working relationship.  Heck, Rivera was shocked when Gettleman was fired.  And Gettleman or Rivera agreeing it was the best?  Please.

Basically now you've gone from speculation and spin to just plain making stuff up.  But it's other people who aren't "objective"...Wow.

Reality is we're stuck with one of the worst (arguably the worst) GMs in the league,  The sooner he's gone, the better we'll be. But heaven knows our dumbass owner is going to put that off as long as he can.

In interviews with more than a dozen team and league sources, the Observer learned that Gettleman’s brusque management style – which had made him unpopular with some Carolina players from his earliest days as GM – had begun to wear thin throughout the organization.

Some staffers also didn’t like how Gettleman reshaped the roster following the 2015 Super Bowl season, leaving yawning gaps in the secondary and along the offensive line that were exposed during a 6-10 campaign last year.

The bridges that were burned with former players, the growing tension within the building and some of the post-Super Bowl personnel decisions – notably rescinding cornerback Josh Norman’s franchise tag in April 2016 – played a part in Gettleman’s ouster

 

Beason said during an interview with WFNZ this week that Gettleman accused him of faking his knee injury following microfracture surgery

 

Gettleman’s gruff manner was offset somewhat by assistant GM Brandon Beane, whose personable nature allowed him to serve as a go-between among the front office, coaching staff and locker room.

Beane was considered the heir apparent for Gettleman’s job before he joined former Panthers defensive coordinator Sean McDermott as the GM in Buffalo. Losing Beane put further strain on some of Gettleman’s work relationships, according to sources.

Tolbert said Beane acted as a buffer for Gettleman.

In the meantime, some Panthers players privately grumbled about the idea of losing a 28-year-old player in his prime. It was a seismic moment on several levels – on and off the field. Norman was a gregarious and outspoken character. Teammates sometimes rolled their eyes at his antics, but he had earned a lot of respect for his coverage skills, and a lot of friends in the locker room.

There you go, from the observer article this past July. here

There's lots more that isn't online because players and coaches didn't come out and say it. Wasn't all the coaches, had good relationships with them despite his flaws. 

You could go further and look for what Smith's agent said about Gettleman and how he wasn't a people person and didn't know how to talk with agents. 

But I'm done, I don't feel good and I have the flu. 

 

 

[MasterAwesome]

4 hours ago, The Natural said:

 That's not at all what I said. However, replace Cam with any number of other QB's and we don't have a winning record. He was our leading rusher for crying out loud. Why can't you admit Gettleman made mistakes? It's really weird man. 

Just gonna test something out quickly ...

 

“Cam could afford to work on his footwork some more”

[Mr. Scot]

33 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

In interviews with more than a dozen team and league sources, the Observer learned that Gettleman’s brusque management style – which had made him unpopular with some Carolina players from his earliest days as GM – had begun to wear thin throughout the organization.

Some staffers also didn’t like how Gettleman reshaped the roster following the 2015 Super Bowl season, leaving yawning gaps in the secondary and along the offensive line that were exposed during a 6-10 campaign last year.

The bridges that were burned with former players, the growing tension within the building and some of the post-Super Bowl personnel decisions – notably rescinding cornerback Josh Norman’s franchise tag in April 2016 – played a part in Gettleman’s ouster

 

Beason said during an interview with WFNZ this week that Gettleman accused him of faking his knee injury following microfracture surgery

 

Gettleman’s gruff manner was offset somewhat by assistant GM Brandon Beane, whose personable nature allowed him to serve as a go-between among the front office, coaching staff and locker room.

Beane was considered the heir apparent for Gettleman’s job before he joined former Panthers defensive coordinator Sean McDermott as the GM in Buffalo. Losing Beane put further strain on some of Gettleman’s work relationships, according to sources.

Tolbert said Beane acted as a buffer for Gettleman.

In the meantime, some Panthers players privately grumbled about the idea of losing a 28-year-old player in his prime. It was a seismic moment on several levels – on and off the field. Norman was a gregarious and outspoken character. Teammates sometimes rolled their eyes at his antics, but he had earned a lot of respect for his coverage skills, and a lot of friends in the locker room.

There you go, from the observer article this past July. here

There's lots more that isn't online because players and coaches didn't come out and say it. Wasn't all the coaches, had good relationships with them despite his flaws. 

You could go further and look for what Smith's agent said about Gettleman and how he wasn't a people person and didn't know how to talk with agents. 

But I'm done, I don't feel good and I have the flu. 

 

 

Steve Smith's agent...Yeah, there's a reliable source.

Players not being happy about losing teammates?  Boy, that's shocking too.

Funny that you omitted this passage.

Quote

The jarring shift at the top of the team’s personnel department came as a shock to most players and coaches, including head coach Ron Rivera.

Equally funny that what you post here is all about people having hurt feelings, not about winning.

Up in New York, they don't really care about people's feelings.  They care about winning.  And those things that make people whine and moan here are seen as positives there.

So again, you're backing up that this was about hurting people's delicate little feelings.  I mean, you can't win like that, right?  Good thing teams like the Steelers and the Patriots always make sure they don't make anyone cry when they make their decisions.

This whole affair highlighted just how pathetic the internal operation of this team was under Jerry Richardson (and it still would without the scandal).

And yes, as hard as you wanna try to absolve him, Marty Hurney was part of that.

[carpanfan96]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Steve Smith's agent...Yeah, there's a reliable source.

Players not being happy about losing teammates?  Boy, that's shocking too.

Funny that you omitted this passage.

Equally funny that what you post here is all about people having hurt feelings, not about winning.

Up in New York, they don't really care about people's feelings.  They care about winning.  And those things that make people whine and moan here are seen as positives there.

So again, you're backing up that this was about hurting people's delicate little feelings.  I mean, you can't win like that, right?  Good thing teams like the Steelers and the Patriots always make sure they don't make anyone cry when they make their decisions.

This whole affair highlighted just how pathetic the internal operation of this team was under Jerry Richardson (and it still would without the scandal).

And yes, as hard as you wanna try to absolve him, Marty Hurney was part of that.

Yes because passion, respect, friendship and trust all play significant roles during a football season towards building a teams edge, focus, attitude and can result in a good team performing poorly or a so-so team performing better then talent dictates they should. 

 

It isn't 100% about it being a business, never has been and never will be unless robots take the field. 

 

If a GM is causing a rift among players and coaches it can most certainly affect a team and cause them to go say from 15-1 to 6-10 then 11-5 once hes fired. Same can be said for a beloved GM being fired and then the team uniting together to win a bunch of games in a row and follow that up with a 12-4 season. 

Regardless if anyone wants to admit it or not these coaches and players are human amd emotion most definitely plays a role in how a team performs. 

It's why that team with killer instinct and attitude went 15-1 and made the superbowl, they played with heart, attitude and trusted in each other. 

 

If players don't trust the front office and the right guys aren't brought in, then players aren't likely to trust each other on the field because of inexperience and such. Causes leaders who hate to loose to try and do to much and frays at the edge of the team resulting in a 6-10 season and to Gettleman being fired.  

 

I'm now going to take a nap as I have a fever of 102 and am sick on my stomach. 

 

nice talking with you again Mr. Scot, have a good one. 

[The Natural]

1 hour ago, MasterAwesome said:

Just gonna test something out quickly ...

 

“Cam could afford to work on his footwork some more”

Uh, ok?

[Mr. Scot]

19 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Yes because passion, respect, friendship and trust all play significant roles during a football season towards building a teams edge, focus, attitude and can result in a good team performing poorly or a so-so team performing better then talent dictates they should.

It isn't 100% about it being a business, never has been and never will be unless robots take the field.

If a GM is causing a rift among players and coaches it can most certainly affect a team and cause them to go say from 15-1 to 6-10 then 11-5 once hes fired. Same can be said for a beloved GM being fired and then the team uniting together to win a bunch of games in a row and follow that up with a 12-4 season. 

Regardless if anyone wants to admit it or not these coaches and players are human amd emotion most definitely plays a role in how a team performs. 

It's why that team with killer instinct and attitude went 15-1 and made the superbowl, they played with heart, attitude and trusted in each other.

If players don't trust the front office and the right guys aren't brought in, then players aren't likely to trust each other on the field because of inexperience and such. Causes leaders who hate to loose to try and do to much and frays at the edge of the team resulting in a 6-10 season and to Gettleman being fired. 

I'm now going to take a nap as I have a fever of 102 and am sick on my stomach.

nice talking with you again Mr. Scot, have a good one. 

It is a business.  In fact, it's a business with millions of dollars at stake.

And it's a job.  A professional job.  And there are plenty of cases of teammates who don't like each other.  That's human nature.

If you're willing to risk and sacrifice millions of dollars over hurt feelings, well...

[Rubi]

4 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

We will never know if anyone wanted to brjng him in because he left the team and went to espn radio not long after sometime in the middle of 2013 and then bought it early in 2014.  I don't think he wanted to be anywhere but in Carolina and that's a reason he stayed close to Rivera, JR and the players. 

As for Gettleman, reports are and you can easily find them online that thier was issues between him, the coaches and players. A pretty big rift actually and if he had stayed this team would have started to loose players left and right as well as some coaches. That's one of the reasons Hurney was brought in because he could smooth things out and was still close to the coaches and players. (Rivera, Kuechly, Davis, Olsen and Newton that I've heard) 

 

Record is one thing, pissing off your best players and your coach in their prime is another thing. The team was going to fall apart around him and he'd be in the same spot. He wasn't just fired, he agreed with JR that leaving was the best thing. 

 

Once again rose colored Gettleman glasses. 

 

I'm out though. 

You kind of sound like Marty preferred a radio job in Charlotte vs an NFL GM job?

 

im sure the paychecks are the same. Lolllllllll

[Rubi]

Marty kept 2 kickers. = incompetence 

 

This isn’t / shouldn’t be a debate anymore 

 

Mr Scot owned this thread and owned the few arguing with him  

 

 

[carpanfan96]

7 minutes ago, Rubi said:

You kind of sound like Marty preferred a radio job in Charlotte vs an NFL GM job?

 

im sure the paychecks are the same. Lolllllllll

When you own the radio station and it's affiliated with ESPN....I'd say there's a good chance if it's something you really want to do.