Panthers Will Begin Conducting GM Interviews This Week

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, The Natural said:

He has nearly three decades in the NFL and I mistakenly attributed that to being mostly spent with NY but by all means continue with your straw man argument and continue being a condescending ass who avoids answering the tough questions. Honestly, are you related to Dave? He's not good, that's why he never got the "big" job until us. Accept it. We deserve better. 

Gettleman is gone because our owner is a lecherous dimwitted clown.  He's not coming back, so the best thing that could happen now would be to find someone who actually is better.

That's not Marty Hurney.  Hurney is an awful GM who'd still be sitting at home if not for Richardson's stupidity. Unfortunately, since the committee choosing our next GM is primarily Richardson stooges, we're likely to be stuck with Hurney's foolishness for at least until we get new ownership.  Possibly longer if Richardson gets his wishes.

Reality is we have a dumbass owner who cares more about rewarding people he likes than actually winning.  That's how we got Hurney in the first place.  It's why we have Hurney now.  And if it weren't for him getting caught being a dirty old man, it's why we'd have Hurney for as long as Richardson lived.  He wants to do his best to have Hurney embedded so that new ownership will keep him on, and whether or not that's what's best for the team doesn't mean s--t.

If you're actually clueless enough to believe that anything about this situation is a good thing, I can't help you.

[The Natural]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Gettleman is gone because our owner is a lecherous dimwitted clown.  He's not coming back, so the best thing that could happen now would be to find someone who actually is better.

That's not Marty Hurney.  Hurney is an awful GM who'd still be sitting at home if not for Richardson's stupidity. Unfortunately, since the committee choosing our next GM is primarily Richardson stooges, we're likely to be stuck with Hurney's foolishness for at least until we get new ownership.  Possibly longer if Richardson gets his wishes.

Reality is we have a dumbass owner who cares more about rewarding people he likes than actually winning.  That's how we got Hurney in the first place.  It's why we have Hurney now.  And if it weren't for him getting caught being a dirty old man, it's why we'd have Hurney for as long as Richardson lived.  He wants to do his best to have Hurney embedded so that new ownership will keep him on, and whether or not that's what's best for the team doesn't mean s--t.

If you're actually clueless enough to believe that anything about this situation is a good thing, I can't help you.

I've preached over and over that Hurney isn't a long term answer but neither was Gettleman. Both are/were bad GM's. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, The Natural said:

I've preached over and over that Hurney isn't a long term answer but neither was Gettleman. Both are/were bad GM's. 

Yeah.  Lots of "bad GMs" have winning records.

Gettleman was a good GM fired by a terrible owner who replaced him with an awful GM that nobody with any sense would hire.

Nothing can change that now.  I only hope we're not stuck with Hurney any longer than we have to be.

[carpanfan96]

28 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You'd rather have Hurney run the team because he'll get a good first round pick?

That's more important than actually winning?

I'd have to check the exact math but Gettleman's teams had somewhere between a 60 and 70 percent winning record. Hurney's teams aren't even 500 and his time includes one of the worst seasons in team history. By contrast, Gettleman has the single best, and surpassed Hurney in the total number of good seasons in less than half the time in the job.

But you're okay with losing because you don't want your favorite players cut and it's exciting to get a good first round pick?

Seriously, dude. Where is your mind right now?

I only compared first 4 seasons of each In the above and neither was consistent hence we haven't had back to back winning seasons yet. No it isn't about favorite players, it's about having no plan to replace what they bring to the team in a sensible way. 

Force Gross to retire with No LT on the team, lets Smith go and Ginn go and no help coming in via draft or FA and team goes 7-8-1 after going 12-4 the year before. Then he slightly fixes the problem and gets Oher and Ginn back, teams goes 15-1. Gets rid of Norman, and the experience in the secondary and goes CB happy in the draft after need wasting nearly half a draft. Team goes 6-10 With a poor pass defense. Slightly fixes the problem and team goes 11-5 this past season. 

 

So praise Gettleman all you want, no back to back winning seasons, so-so drafting and so many FA and team building blunders you can't really count them all.  

40-23-1 compared to 36-28, one NFCC game and one Superbowl compared to two NFCC games and one Superbowl. Now what happened after that everyone knows, Hurneys Panthers went on for one more winning season over the next several years and Gettleman got fired because of the way he treated players and agents. Namely Norman, Davis and Olsen but that's neither here nor there. Also 2-14 isn't the worst season in Panther history despite it feeling that way. 

 

Quite frankly Gettleman was headed in the same direction that Hurney did originally after those first four years and was about to loose a bunch of the teams core with Olsen, Davis and a few others most definitely leaving with No plan to replace them. 

 

So no I don't like how Gettleman runs teams and his results show that despite a few more regular season wins that Hurney was more successful in his first four years then Gettleman was. Don't come back with the three straight division titles when one of those was at 7-9 in a historically bad division. 

 

point is Gettleman wasn't that good and should have been fired because of his repeating of the same mistakes over and over each and every off season. 

[heel31ok]

1 hour ago, uncfan888 said:

And the sad realization that this offseason is critical for that window and we have hurney back to ruin things. Just hope this is only a one year thing

Its not automatic he will ruin anything...if he holds serve we  will be ok...

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, carpanfan96 said:

I only compared first 4 seasons of each In the above and neither was consistent hence we haven't had back to back winning seasons yet. No it isn't about favorite players, it's about having no plan to replace what they bring to the team in a sensible way. 

Force Gross to retire with No LT on the team, lets Smith go and Ginn go and no help coming in via draft or FA and team goes 7-8-1 after going 12-4 the year before. Then he slightly fixes the problem and gets Oher and Ginn back, teams goes 15-1. Gets rid of Norman, and the experience in the secondary and goes CB happy in the draft after need wasting nearly half a draft. Team goes 6-10 With a poor pass defense. Slightly fixes the problem and team goes 11-5 this past season. 

So praise Gettleman all you want, no back to back winning seasons, so-so drafting and so many FA and team building blunders you can't really count them all.  

40-23-1 compared to 36-28, one NFCC game and one Superbowl compared to two NFCC games and one Superbowl. Now what happened after that everyone knows, Hurneys Panthers went on for one more winning season over the next several years and Gettleman got fired because of the way he treated players and agents. Namely Norman, Davis and Olsen but that's neither here nor there. Also 2-14 isn't the worst season in Panther history despite it feeling that way.

Quite frankly Gettleman was headed in the same direction that Hurney did originally after those first four years and was about to loose a bunch of the teams core with Olsen, Davis and a few others most definitely leaving with No plan to replace them.

So no I don't like how Gettleman runs teams and his results show that despite a few more regular season wins that Hurney was more successful in his first four years then Gettleman was. Don't come back with the three straight division titles when one of those was at 7-9 in a historically bad division.

point is Gettleman wasn't that good and should have been fired because of his repeating of the same mistakes over and over each and every off season. 

Gettleman didn't force Gross to retire.  He wanted him back.  And that 15-1 season you gloss over is kind of a big deal.

It's pretty clear here you're judging this based on feelings and emotions.  You've gotta try and pick and choose and spin to make Hurney look better, and it's obvious.  Yes, we cut Steve Smith.  We were in the Super Bowl a season later.  Get over it.

Gettleman was only fired because our owner is a dumbs--t, and he proved that by bringing back Hurney, a guy nobody who knows what they're doing wanted.  Hell, even the Cleveland Browns knew better than to look at Marty Hurney.

You think players got "treated badly" here?  Olsen got a really nice extension, then wanted another one.  Thomas Davis is retiring now in part because the team only offered him one more year (Hurney, not Gettleman).

Take a look at how the Steelers and the Patriots run things.  No sentiment.  No mush.  No concern whose feelings get hurt.  They only care about winning, which is how Gettleman operated.  That's how big boy football works.  If you can't handle that, you're gonna be a very unhappy fan.

[Dex]

3 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

You people?

[The Natural]

45 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah.  Lots of "bad GMs" have winning records.

Gettleman was a good GM fired by a terrible owner who replaced him with an awful GM that nobody with any sense would hire.

Nothing can change that now.  I only hope we're not stuck with Hurney any longer than we have to be.

Hurney had a winning record over his first four years as well..... Looking at how horrible his past two off-seasons were it's not a stretch to think Gettleman was trending down.  Neither are good GM's the fact you can't accept that is hilarious. 

[carpanfan96]

22 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Gettleman didn't force Gross to retire.  He wanted him back.  And that 15-1 season you gloss over is kind of a big deal.

It's pretty clear here you're judging this based on feelings and emotions.  You've gotta try and pick and choose and spin to make Hurney look better, and it's obvious.  Yes, we cut Steve Smith.  We were in the Super Bowl a season later.  Get over it.

Gettleman was only fired because our owner is a dumbs--t, and he proved that by bringing back Hurney, a guy nobody who knows what they're doing wanted.  Hell, even the Cleveland Browns knew better than to look at Marty Hurney.

You think players got "treated badly" here?  Olsen got a really nice extension, then wanted another one.  Thomas Davis is retiring now in part because the team only offered him one more year (Hurney, not Gettleman).

Take a look at how the Steelers and the Patriots run things.  No sentiment.  No mush.  No concern whose feelings get hurt.  They only care about winning, which is how Gettleman operated.  That's how big boy football works.  If you can't handle that, you're gonna be a very unhappy fan.

Wrong, I don't care that Smith got cut. He deserved it and was generally a bad team mate in the locker room. I don't generally care that any of them got cut, it's the no plan after cutting them that gets me.

Also we didnt want Gross to come back because of the contract restructure he had dead money for three years and a voided contract. Hurney knows what he's doing since you know he's been to the NFCC more then Gettleman in his first four years oh and the amount of pro bowl and all pro level players he drafted. I mean Davis, Norman, Kuechly, Peppers, Williams, Kalil, Gross, Gamble..  I mean I could go on about the draft and how he's So much better at it but what's the point. 

 

Hurney was the hope executive in the NFL in 2003 and voted one of the top executives in all of sports in 2007 and 2008 by multiple publications. 

 

This teams core is almost all Hurney's players. Olsen, Newton, Stewart, Davis, Kuechly, Kalil, Peppers, Johnson. 

 

Gettleman was hired for one reason and that was to fix the mess that resulted because of the lockout and those large contracts trying to fix Jr's image among outside players. That's a big reason those huge contracts were given out to keep players here. Kinda have to do that when you tarnish your image among players by calling out Peyton Manning about pie charts. Hence why I said that the cap problems weren't really a result of just Hurney himself. 

[Mr. Scot]

23 minutes ago, The Natural said:

Hurney had a winning record over his first four years as well..... Looking at how horrible his past two off-seasons were it's not a stretch to think Gettleman was trending down.  Neither are good GM's the fact you can't accept that is hilarious. 

Gettleman ran this past offseason too. We went 11-5 despite being hamstrung by Mike Shula.

Spin it all you want, dude.

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Wrong, I don't care that Smith got cut. He deserved it and was generally a bad team mate in the locker room. I don't generally care that any of them got cut, it's the no plan after cutting them that gets me.

Also we didnt want Gross to come back because of the contract restructure he had dead money for three years and a voided contract. Hurney knows what he's doing since you know he's been to the NFCC more then Gettleman in his first four years oh and the amount of pro bowl and all pro level players he drafted. I mean Davis, Norman, Kuechly, Peppers, Williams, Kalil, Gross, Gamble..  I mean I could go on about the draft and how he's So much better at it but what's the point. 

Hurney was the hope executive in the NFL in 2003 and voted one of the top executives in all of sports in 2007 and 2008 by multiple publications. 

This teams core is almost all Hurney's players. Olsen, Newton, Stewart, Davis, Kuechly, Kalil, Peppers, Johnson. 

Gettleman was hired for one reason and that was to fix the mess that resulted because of the lockout and those large contracts trying to fix Jr's image among outside players. That's a big reason those huge contracts were given out to keep players here. Kinda have to do that when you tarnish your image among players by calling out Peyton Manning about pie charts. Hence why I said that the cap problems weren't really a result of just Hurney himself. 

As much as you want to focus on only those first four seasons, hurney didn't have only four seasons. He had eleven, and only one of them was a good one after those first four. 

Also worth noting that Gettleman actually has five seasons to draw from since he ran the offseason before this year, but if I were you I'd avoid talking about that too.

And if you want to talk about Gettleman having core players from Hurney then you're also forced to acknowledge that a lot of Hurney's core players came from core players came from Seifert.

And as always you can talk about "Gettleman had Hurney players" all you want, but Hurney had Hurney's players too and he couldn't win with them.

You're trying really hard to build up a narrative to justify Hurney, and you've got to do a lot of spinning and twisting to make it happen. And no, you can't blame Jerry Richardson for all of Hurney's mistakes.

[carpanfan96]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

As much as you want to focus on only those first four seasons, hurney didn't have only four seasons. He had eleven, and only one of them was a good one after those first four. 

Also worth noting that Gettleman actually has five seasons to draw from since he ran the offseason before this year, but if I were you I'd avoid talking about that too.

And if you want to talk about Gettleman having core players from Hurney then you're also forced to acknowledge that a lot of Hurney's core players came from core players came from Seifert.

And as always you can talk about "Gettleman had Hurney players" all you want, but Hurney had Hurney's players too and he couldn't win with them.

You're trying really hard to build up a narrative to justify Hurney, and you've got to do a lot of spinning and twisting to make it happen. And no, you can't blame Jerry Richardson for all of Hurney's mistakes.

First I'm counting 2017, Gettleman had three winning seasons counting it. 2013, 2015, 2017. Though I should count it for Hurney more then Gettleman though which I'll get to later. 

Hurney had 3 winning seasons. 2003, 2005, 2008. He also gets credit for the 2001 draft because he ran it along with DPP at the time. Those were just as much his picks that he helped scout as they were Jack Buschofsky. None of that credit should go to Seifert since he let them two run the draft. 

If I was to do this for Gettleman I would have to do a lot of twisting and that's been my entire point. As much as you want to build him up as this great GM, he wasn't and there's a reason he got fired and it has nothing to do with having a stupid owner. He was repeating the same mistakes over and over, no back to back winning seasons because of major blunders of his own making when the team has a core that should make the playoffs every year. 

He's ignored safety and tried to bandaid it with aging vets, He's ignored OT for the most part and tried to bandaid it with vets and one really bad contract. He's ignored speed at WR outside of Ginn JR till this past off season.

His size matters at WR resulted in KB and Funchess draft picks when they are the same exact player route tree wise being on the field at the same time. For all your fuss that Hurney had nothing to do with this past season, he actually made the move that made the most impact on the season by trading KB to the Bills. 

 

 

[The Natural]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Gettleman ran this past offseason too. We went 11-5 despite being hamstrung by Mike Shula.

Spin it all you want, dude.

We went 11-5 because Cam Newton willed us to it. Our secondary is COMPLETE garbage and we have one of the worst LT's in the league protecting Cams blindside. I don't even want to talk about Gman letting Ginn go for Sheppard. Gettleman left this team with A LOT of holes.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, carpanfan96 said:

First I'm counting 2017, Gettleman had three winning seasons counting it. 2013, 2015, 2017. 

Hurney had 3 winning seasons. 2003, 2005, 2008. He also gets credit for the 2001 draft because he ran it along with DPP at the time. Those were just as much his picks that he helped scout as they were Jack Buschofsky. None of that credit should go to Seifert since he let them two run the draft. 

If I was to do this for Gettleman I would have to do a lot of twisting and that's been my entire point. As much as you want to build him up as this great GM, he wasn't and there's a reason he got fired and it has nothing to do with having a stupid owner. He was repeating the same mistakes over and over, no back to back winning seasons because of major blunders of his own making when the team has a core that should make the playoffs every year. 

He's ignored safety and tried to bandaid it with aging vets, He's ignored OT for the most part and tried to bandaid it with vets and one really bad contract. He's ignored speed at WR outside of Ginn JR till this past off season. His size matters at WR resulted in KB and Funchess draft picks when they are the same exact player route tree wise being on the field at the same time. For all your fuss that Hurney had nothing to do with this past season, he actually made the move that turned a most likely loosing season into a winning one by trading KB and actually getting something back for him. 

It's about winning. Nothing else matters.

We did it more consistently with Gettleman than we did with Hurney, even with all the effort you are making to try to blame Hurney's failures on someone else and give him credit for other people's successes.

I don't know what happened to you, dude. You used to be better than this.