Panthers Will Begin Conducting GM Interviews This Week

[AceBoogie]

1 hour ago, uncfan888 said:

To be fair though, hurney wouldnt sniff a job with any other organization. We need to move on from both of them

I agree with that, i just don’t like the notion that Gettleman was some hot commodity that everyone wanted. 

[AceBoogie]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Wrong again, but no shock there.

It took him 27 years from the time he entered the NFL as a scouting intern to become a NFL GM. If he had interviews in those 27 years then it’s even worse that he couldn’t land the job, especially when he doesn’t have the Rooney rule to blame. 

[Swaggasaurus]

10 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Nice try.  Offensive deficiencies can be compensated for by defense (hence the Ravens first Super Bowl win).  Likewise, poor coaching can be helped out by having good personnel (like how the Panthers went from a losing season in 2012 to winning in 2013).

Not really, and in fact I was at a practice in Marshall's second year where I heard the DB coach yelling at him for being lazy.

Who cares if he was getting yelled at for being lazy. He was a solid player, the fact that he was lazy held him back, but he was no scrub. 

Randy Moss and Prime are 2 Historically great players that were lazy. 

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

It took him 27 years from the time he entered the NFL as a scouting intern to become a NFL GM. If he had interviews in those 27 years then it’s even worse that he couldn’t land the job, especially when he doesn’t have the Rooney rule to blame. 

Yeah, you pretty much have no clue how NFL careers work (or how to make a consistent argument for that matter).

By the time he got the Saints job, Sean Payton had been demoted , outright fired, failed interviews, etc.  It's a typical career path.

I mean that Belichick guy got fired from the Browns and was named head coach of the Jets then backed out.  How could he possibly be any good?

And then there's that Newton guy.  Pretty much sucked in the Super Bowl.  He'll never be any good.

[The Natural]

10 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Funny you don't seem to wanna talk about that 15-1 season, though.  You know, the best season in team history?  Part of the most successful run in team history?  Followed up by the dumbass in charge firing the guy who helmed that run and rehiring the guy who could only manager three decent seasons out of eleven years?  You remember, right?  You've been here since 2001, after all.

That's kind alike highlight reel scouting.  In 06 and 07 we also spent high picks on guys like Dwayne Jarrett, Richard Marshall and Rashad Butler.

But if you'll recall, I said I was looking at prior drafts from 2002 forward.  Outside of the first round, those were nothing to write home about (i.e. typical Hurney) and included things like picking DeShaun Foster over Clinton Portis and using second rounders on guys like Bruce Nelson (who I'm pretty sure never played a down).  The 05 draft was particularly bad. Got Thomas Davis in the first but after that, yeesh.

The 2007 draft was probably Hurney's best, but if you look back at the drafts following that one (you'll see them in the link Lords of Pain posted above) it's ugly.

 

What part of the word consistency are you not grasping? Yes,  2015 was a great year but it was followed by a 6-10 record. Which in most people's minds is unacceptable. Again, you refuse to acknowledge Gettlemans shortcomings so really this is pointless. I will say you pointing out how quickly he caught back on with NY means nothing because it's the same organization he spent nearly three decades with prior. Much in the same way Hurney never garnered much interest outside of here the same can be said for Gettleman in NY. There's a real reason the man never got a GM job before here and unfortunately we had to find out why the hard way. 

[The Natural]

3 minutes ago, Swaggasaurus said:

Who cares if he was getting yelled at for being lazy. He was a solid player, the fact that he was lazy held him back, but he was no scrub. 

Randy Moss and Prime are 2 Historically great players that were lazy. 

Shhhhh.... Don't mess up his narrative! 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, The Natural said:

What part of the word consistency are you not grasping? Yes,  2015 was a great year but it was followed by a 6-10 record. Which in most people's minds is unacceptable. Again, you refuse to acknowledge Gettlemans shortcomings so really this is pointless. I will say you pointing out how quickly he caught back on with NY means nothing because it's the same organization he spent nearly three decades with prior. Much in the same way Hurney never garnered much interest outside of here the same can be said for Gettleman in NY. There's a real reason the man never got a GM job before here and unfortunately we had to find out why the hard way. 

Exactly how many years do you think is in a decade?

Gettleman spent 13 seasons in New York, and had three GM interviews outside of the Panthers (Chiefs, Browns, one other if I remember correctly).

You could at least try to check the facts if that's not too much to ask, but then again since facts don't actually seem to matter to your opinions, I suppose I can understand.

Regardless, I apologize for suggesting you were trolling.  You just honestly have some stupid opinions.

[Lords0fPain]

17 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

It took him 27 years from the time he entered the NFL as a scouting intern to become a NFL GM. If he had interviews in those 27 years then it’s even worse that he couldn’t land the job, especially when he doesn’t have the Rooney rule to blame. 

And Hurney got his job only because he knew JR. When he was fired, who wanted his services? Did he even get an interview? Kind of reminds of Shula, now...

[carpanfan96]

9 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Star and Short are a pretty big deal, and Klein was good before he left.  We're left with only Turner from 2014, but 15 gave us Thompson, Funchess, Williams and Mayo.  And come on man, you know it's too early to fully judge the last two drafts.

Good grief, dude. When did you turn into a spinmeister for Hurney?  Are you just trying to be positive about our current situation?

Haven't liked Gettleman since he did that mess with Norman, which was probably the biggest reason the team fell to 6-10 after the SB run. He's made the same mistakes over and over since he got here. Sure he made some good moves and filled out the bottom of the roster nicely. His first four years basically look like Hurneys first four years, the only difference is they fell into a division title at 7-9 under Gettleman. 

 

Gross in 2013 with No plan to replace him, Smith in 2014 with No plan to replace him, Norman in 2016 with No plan to replace him.

 

Well maybe he had a plan for each of them but for the most part they sucked. If your going to let go of all pro level players you've got to have a solid plan to replace them instead of letting the team suffer. Especially if that means letting your best player have to run for his life and be the offense and give him hardly no weapons or protection while you take everything away from him. 

 

I'd honestly rather have Hurney run the team then Gettleman, at least I know Hurney will hit a homerun in the first round and get value in rounds 2 and 3 in some years. At least I know Hurney will listen to the coaching staff and try to get them the pieces they need to run thier systems. 

 

If I had to pick, I'd pick a new GM though as both aren't great GM's. Hell I'd take Brandon Beane over both of them. 

[The Natural]

 

18 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Exactly how many years do you think is in a decade?

Gettleman spent 13 seasons in New York, and had three GM interviews outside of the Panthers (Chiefs, Browns, one other if I remember correctly).

You could at least try to check the facts if that's not too much to ask, but then again since facts don't actually seem to matter to your opinions, I suppose I can understand.

Regardless, I apologize for suggesting you were trolling.  You just honestly have some stupid opinions.

I had the exact number of years off, excuse me for that. The point still remains though. Hilarious that you still refuse to admit he wasn't all that great. Your opinion on this topic is worthless because it's so ridiculously biased. Do you think it was acceptable that under Dave we never had consecutive winning seasons? Do you think handing out that massive contract to Matt Kalil was acceptable? Do you think replacing Ted Ginn with Russell Sheppard was the right move? 

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, The Natural said:

I had the exact number of years off, excuse me for that. The point still remains though. Hilarious that you still refuse to admit he wasn't all that great. Your opinion on this topic is worthless because it's so ridiculously biased. Do you think it was acceptable that under Dave we never had consecutive winning seasons? Do you think handing out that massive contract to Matt Kalil was acceptable? Do you think replacing Ted Ginn with Russell Sheppard was the right move? 

Off? Ummm...yeah. that's one way to put it.

Bottom line: We had our best run of success under Gettleman. And yes that includes this past year because Hurney had zero to do with our offseason.

You've pretty well proven you have zero clue what you're talking about, so...

[uncfan888]

55 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

who cares Gman gone...that's the reality...at this pt the biggest news is the Turner hire and a 3 yr window we have to win at least one SB...

And the sad realization that this offseason is critical for that window and we have hurney back to ruin things. Just hope this is only a one year thing

[Mr. Scot]

15 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Haven't liked Gettleman since he did that mess with Norman, which was probably the biggest reason the team fell to 6-10 after the SB run. He's made the same mistakes over and over since he got here. Sure he made some good moves and filled out the bottom of the roster nicely. His first four years basically look like Hurneys first four years, the only difference is they fell into a division title at 7-9 under Gettleman. 

Gross in 2013 with No plan to replace him, Smith in 2014 with No plan to replace him, Norman in 2016 with No plan to replace him.

Well maybe he had a plan for each of them but for the most part they sucked. If your going to let go of all pro level players you've got to have a solid plan to replace them instead of letting the team suffer. Especially if that means letting your best player have to run for his life and be the offense and give him hardly no weapons or protection while you take everything away from him. 

I'd honestly rather have Hurney run the team then Gettleman, at least I know Hurney will hit a homerun in the first round and get value in rounds 2 and 3 in some years. At least I know Hurney will listen to the coaching staff and try to get them the pieces they need to run thier systems. 

If I had to pick, I'd pick a new GM though as both aren't great GM's. Hell I'd take Brandon Beane over both of them. 

You'd rather have Hurney run the team because he'll get a good first round pick?

That's more important than actually winning?

I'd have to check the exact math but Gettleman's teams had somewhere between a 60 and 70 percent winning record. Hurney's teams aren't even 500 and his time includes one of the worst seasons in team history. By contrast, Gettleman has the single best, and surpassed Hurney in the total number of good seasons in less than half the time in the job.

But you're okay with losing because you don't want your favorite players cut and it's exciting to get a good first round pick?

Seriously, dude. Where is your mind right now?

[The Natural]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Off? Ummm...yeah. that's one way to put it.

Bottom line: We had our best run of success under Gettleman. And yes that includes this past year because Hurney had zero to do with our offseason.

You've pretty well proven you have zero clue what you're talking about, so...

He has nearly three decades in the NFL and I mistakenly attributed that to being mostly spent with NY but by all means continue with your straw man argument and continue being a condescending ass who avoids answering the tough questions. Honestly, are you related to Dave? He's not good, that's why he never got the "big" job until us. Accept it. We deserve better.