Quarterbacks active in 2017 with a higher career passer rating than Cam

[AceBoogie]

21 hours ago, Borat said:

Cam isn't a good passer, but he's a very good QB. Unorthodox sure, but you can't really argue with the output. 

LOL

[Lords0fPain]

On ‎1‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 12:41 AM, Chairman Wow said:

I fully realize traditional passing statistics simply do not apply to Cam. After all,  he has averaged 39 rushing yards per game in his career. Nonetheless,  I thought a list of qualifying QB's who rank above and below him in career NFL Passer Rating would be fun. Those ranking above him (in order):

Aaron Rodgers

Russell Wilson

Tom Brady

Drew Brees

Philip Rivers

Big Ben

Kirk Cousins

Matty Ice

Matt Schaub

Andy Dalton

Matt Stafford

Carson Palmer

Derek Carr

Alex Smith

Andrew Luck

Jameis Winston

Ryan Tannehill

Jay Cutler

 

Those ranking below him (interesting in its own right and in order):

Sam Bradford

Joe Flacco

Eli

Blake Bortles

Josh McCown

Ryan Fitzpatrick

Matt Cassell 

Chad Henne

Mark Sanchez

Derek Anderson

 

These are the only active qualifiers.

Thoughts???

 

 

 

 

 

may want to compare the supporting cast around these QBs not to mention coaching and schemes (i.e. coaching not to lose, instead of coaching to win)....lol

[bewonee]

On 1/26/2018 at 11:28 AM, KillaCamNewton said:

Quarterbacks active in 2017 with an MVP and Super Bowl appearance

 

-Tom Brady

-Aaron Rodgers

-Cam Newton

Yeah, Cam has a really polished participation trophy. Too bad he shat the bed when it actually mattered.

[Cartel de Carolina]

8 hours ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

did he have a "good" year or "the 6th greatest season by a quarterback of all time"?

qbr is poo. there's obviously no accounting for system and personnel if wentz and keenum are 1 and 2. according to qbr cam newton was a net negative to the panthers offense relative to an "average" quarterback and he ranks behind jameis winston lmao

there is no ranking that accounts for system and personnel. 

qbr is the best we got at present. 

unless there is some other ranking or algorithm i am unaware of.

cam has been average most of his time in carolina as a pure qb. low %, too many ints. etc. 

the reasons not withstanding

[Cartel de Carolina]

15 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

then maybe it's really really stupid to rely on these rankings when comparing cam newton to guys like case fugin keenum. anyone can create any sort of rating system they want. that said, just because a given measure exists doesn't make it at all meaningful. qbr is trash. it exists and that's fine but it's trash. if your measure can't properly account for the context then it is worthless as a means to evaluate quarterbacks across wildly varying contexts.

according to qbr, jameis winston performed at a higher level than cam newton in 2017. according to qbr, dak prescott added more value running the ball than cam newton. according to qbr, cam newton was a net-negative (points added) relative to the "average quarterback." that is laughable. if that's "the best we got at present" then the state of advanced statistics in professional football is in a very bad place. throw them all in the garbage and start over.

Who said anything about relying on rankings?

QBR is def not trash. There is a reason guys with high QBRs are usually on successful winning teams and play well. There is a reason guys with trash QBRs are usually on terrible losing teams and played poorly. 

Dont need any metrics to see Wentz, Keenum, and Brady had good years. Eyes tell me that. 

Don't need any metrics to see Cam being average (big highs followed by big lows). 

Cam needs to become more consistent plain and simple. 

[Cartel de Carolina]

Lol at wanting and expecting an ranking system to factor in system and personnel. 

Better luck expecting to get an SI swimsuit model for a wife. 

QRB i believe factors in things like 3rd down, game situations, etc. 

Bout the best we ever going to get. 

[Cartel de Carolina]

QB1 - 200 yards, 65%, 1TD,1INT (completes crucial 3rd down late to continue an crucial drive leading his team to the win)

QB2 - 350 yards, 60%, 3TD, 1INT (throws a pick or int on a 3rd down late on a crucial drive playing a big role losing the game)

QB1 had the better game even though just looking at the numbers you would say how. 

[Cartel de Carolina]

2 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

lol at using a statistic that doesn't account for system and personnel to rank quarterbacks across the league. i don't give a poo if qbr exists. i just think it's really stupid to try to use it or passer rating or w/e to argue whether quarterback A is better than quarterback B. that's all. it's probably *ok* if you use it to chart an individual quarterback's output over years but even then with so much turnover on rosters and coaching staffs it's still kinda worthless. just not as worthless as it would be when comparing different quarterbacks to each other.

You can look with your own eyes and know who is better. Yards, %, TDs, INTs, 3rd down stats, WL, etc. 

[KillerKat]

Just now, Cartel de Carolina said:

QB1 - 200 yards, 65%, 1TD,1INT (completes crucial 3rd down late to continue an crucial drive leading his team to the win)

QB2 - 350 yards, 60%, 3TD, 1INT (throws a pick or int on a 3rd down late on a crucial drive playing a big role losing the game)

QB1 had the better game even though just looking at the numbers you would say how. 

Are you retarded? Because your logic sure does seem so. Last time I checked 3 TDs > 1 TD. If the game came down to a late 3rd down throw, it should've never have came to that to begin with. Football is a team sport. Tell the defense to stop someone.

[KillerKat]

2 minutes ago, Cartel de Carolina said:

You can look with your own eyes and know who is better. Yards, %, TDs, INTs, 3rd down stats, WL, etc. 

We can all tell what bias your eyes see while they don't see the bigger picture.

[Cartel de Carolina]

Just now, KillerKat said:

Are you retarded? Because your logic sure does seem so. Last time I checked 3 TDs > 1 TD. If the game came down to a late 3rd down throw, it should've never have came to that to begin with. Football is a team sport. Tell the defense to stop someone.

But it did come down to that and said QB had to make THE play of the game and didn't. 

There is a thing called clutchness for a reason. Brady could have just packed his tent the other week and say the coaches and WRs need to call better plays and players execute better. But on 3rd and 18, he made THE play of the game. 

 

[Cartel de Carolina]

Just now, KillerKat said:

We can all tell what bias your eyes see while they don't see the bigger picture.

There is no bias. 

As of now Cam has been wildly inconsistent. 

Fact. 

Now, I believe this is 80-90% due to his terrible offensive coaching. 

I believe Cam can be a top 3-5 QB with elite play calling and scheme.

 

[Cartel de Carolina]

Just now, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

then there is nothing to argue about. cam would have the stats of a top 3-5 quarterback (to match his otherworldly talent) with the proper scheme and personnel. stats like qbr ignore context and rank cam newton behind jameis winston. that seems dumb and worthless to me. the important thing to remember is that statistical output doesn't have to match ability or value.

As I said, I do not operate in the what if world. 

Cam is inconsistent. Average QB. 

He will have an amazing game then follow it with a terrible game losing to a team who completed 4 passes all game. 

Can he get better, I think so. 

But he needs to do it. Coaches or not. 

[Cartel de Carolina]

Just now, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

you're talking out of both sides of your mouth my dude. going to bat for real bad statistics can have that effect on people. you don't get to acknowledge shitty scheme, situational playcalling, and personnel while holding him responsible for that trainwreck of an offense's performance. you, much like the folks at espn, ignore context. quarterbacks don't operate in a vacuum. who's to say any other quarterback in the league could accomplish what he's been able to accomplish in that situation?

If I were Cam I would audible and make hot routes. 

I would also look to hit the flats or delayed routes 1st. 

Coaches be damn, because if it's working then they will get over it. 

50% of this is on him regardless of if scheme could be better.