REPORT: Giants will go hard after Andrew Norwell

[Mr. Scot]

Voth was asked the "Norwell-Lotulelei" question (Grill Bill)
 

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I don't see them tagging either. 

The problem with tagging guards is they don’t have a separate delineation. All offensive linemen are combined into one group, so higher-paid tackles raise this number significantly. In 2017, the cost to tag an offensive lineman was $14.3 million. It’ll likely be even higher this season, and I can’t see the Panthers keeping Norwell around for one year at that cost.

Same thing with Lotulelei. The tag for defensive tackles last season was $13.4 million, a neighborhood I can’t imagine the Panthers would entertain at a one-year rate.  

Now, would they offer competitive contracts? That depends on what Norwell, Lotulelei and their agents deem competitive. 

Teams really shouldn’t be in the business of developing starters only to let them head elsewhere, but sometimes you’ve got to fold your hand when other teams throw out bigger money than you’re willing to spend. It's still early, but that’s how I see things playing out with Norwell and Lotulelei.

 

[grimesgoat]

46 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

According to this site, the Giants only have about 1 million more cap room than the Panthers - so is this site wrong or are we just not willing to pay Norwell and the Giants are ?  Another question I have is why all of a sudden is G man a big spender ?

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

 

Sportrac has us at 15 and the Giants at 21 (cap space).  Not sure what the disconnect is between the two sites.

The Giants will almost surely unload Brandon Marshall's 6m, absorbing the 1m dead cap.

We need to sign Peppers (4-5m) and find replacements for our starting DT and LG.  Maybe they have fewer holes to fill?

Gman spent pretty big for Turner, KK, and Addison, so I'm not sure we can say he is not a "big spender".  He wasn't spending big when he got here because there was no money to spend. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Sportrac has us at 15 and the Giants at 21 (cap space).  Not sure what the disconnect is between the two sites.

The Giants will almost surely unload Brandon Marshall's 6m, absorbing the 1m dead cap.

We need to sign Peppers (4-5m) and find replacements for our starting DT and LG.  Maybe they have fewer holes to fill?

Gman spent pretty big for Turner, KK, and Addison, so I'm not sure we can say he is not a "big spender".  He wasn't spending big when he got here because there was no money to spend. 

Even though he's not truly a nose guard type, I'm hearing a lot of speculation that Vernon Butler will take Lotulelei's spot.

He was drafted in case we lost Short, but it turns out he'll be sliding into Star's spot instead.

[TheSpecialJuan]

Andrew Norwell's fate was sealed last offseason when we re-signed Trai Turner to a multi-year deal. We knew both would be UFA after this season and we chose to keep Turner instead of Norwell. It's that simple. 

[CPF4LIFE]

Having Premium guards is really not out the question. Cam cant have defenders in his face every play  that was a big problem a couple years ago. You have a guard that doesn't give up QB pressures, hits, hurries at all i wouldnt be mad if you did everything you could to keep him around. At the same time if Norwell wants to much thats just unfortunate. 

[CPantherKing]

Can Norwell play LT?

$35M in salary on the starting OL if they pay Norwell and not a single franchise OT to bank on for the future. Can we please focus on landing a franchise LT before having the highest paid interior OL in the NFL with no running lanes to show for it?

If Trai Turner and Andrew Norwell were really as good as fans say (I do believe they are quality starters), then how do you explain the miserable run blocking up the middle all season long? An OG is a greater factor for the running game up the middle than the RB.

Anyone honestly think the run blocking up the middle was all pro caliber?

[CPF4LIFE]

20 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Can Norwell play LT?

$35M in salary on the starting OL if they pay Norwell and not a single franchise OT to bank on for the future. Can we please focus on landing a franchise LT before having the highest paid interior OL in the NFL with no running lanes to show for it?

If Trai Turner and Andrew Norwell were really as good as fans say (I do believe they are quality starters), then how do you explain the miserable run blocking up the middle all season long? An OG is a greater factor for the running game up the middle than the RB.

Anyone honestly think the run blocking up the middle was all pro caliber?

M-I-K-E S-H-U-L-A

[ecu88]

19 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Can Norwell play LT?

$35M in salary on the starting OL if they pay Norwell and not a single franchise OT to bank on for the future. Can we please focus on landing a franchise LT before having the highest paid interior OL in the NFL with no running lanes to show for it?

If Trai Turner and Andrew Norwell were really as good as fans say (I do believe they are quality starters), then how do you explain the miserable run blocking up the middle all season long? An OG is a greater factor for the running game up the middle than the RB.

Anyone honestly think the run blocking up the middle was all pro caliber?

 

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, ecu88 said:

 

 

 

[Soul Rebel]

Is there no way that we can sign Norwell but let Star walk and still be in good financial standing to still add pieces in FA? I truly think that Short/Butler can be a solid duo in the middle, and then sign a less expensive space eater.

Butler is 6'4" 330 and a young 1st round draft pick. He ideally plays the same technique as KK, but depending on who our DEs are, I think Butler can be a competent pairing, though not the same style as Star/KK. 

Norwell won't be cheap, but given our OT situation and the future of Ryan at C, and the ability to possibly boot the other Kalil after 2018, I think Norwell should be our top FA acquisition.  Dude is only 26 years old and will be on Trai's level next year and moving forward. Norwell's presence lessens the burden of Matt Kalil next to him. Why weaken a unit that is arguably the top interior RG-C-LG in the league? 

Star's money can go elsewhere to fix other needs.

[MHS831]

I changed my mind. Now that I have read this entire thread, I have stepped back and looked at this in relation to the entire roster, the cap, the comp picks, and the position.  The draft does not have a lot of elite talent (picking at 24) but it has some solid middle rounds talent at WR, CB, OG, DT, RB, and TE.  That is where we have needs.

Let Norwell walk.  Move Moton to LG. This move not only saves money, but it upgrades Moton.  He is a better G than T, and is probably only a RT, where we have Daryl.  So you have a high draft pick that knows the system.  Remember, a third rounder is valuable in  this draft.

Let Star walk.  Move 330 lb. Butler to NT.  Draft a 3 tech-the draft has some really good DTs/3 Techs (Loaded).  Butler is a better NT than 3 Tech. 

This move helps upgrade 2 roster players, get 2 draft picks, and the drop off at these positions is minimal. 

Release or cut Stewart and a few other big contracts this year,

In free agency:  Since the 4-3 DE spot is rather weak, sign a free agent DE and a WR. 

In the draft:  Draft as if we are filling 2019 needs, since this draft is not loaded with instant contributors.   Suggestion:

• Round 1:  Cornerback.  Since we signed a DE and WR in free agency, draft a cover corner here.  Move Worley to SS and Bradberry to #2 CB. 
• Round 2:  Defensive Tackle. The DTs are solid in the draft.  I think we could upgrade the DT spot with a pick here.  (No Gettlemen comments, please)

 

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

 

I think that is not Stew's place to say, and it is probably unprofessional to say it now.  Players see coaching totally differently than a coaches do.  I have been both, and I thought I was smart about the game until I started coaching.  Just my perspective, but this is kinda kicking a man while he's down. 

[Moorgan]

11 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I think that is not Stew's place to say, and it is probably unprofessional to say it now.  Players see coaching totally differently than a coaches do.  I have been both, and I thought I was smart about the game until I started coaching.  Just my perspective, but this is kinda kicking a man while he's down. 

This doesn't really bother me after the stress he has put on my heart with frustration over the years.

[Mr. Scot]

16 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I think that is not Stew's place to say, and it is probably unprofessional to say it now.  Players see coaching totally differently than a coaches do.  I have been both, and I thought I was smart about the game until I started coaching.  Just my perspective, but this is kinda kicking a man while he's down. 

I'll grant that players and coaches rarely say anything bad about guys that were fired. It's always just stuff like "we wish him well and we thank him for his time here but we need to go in a different direction blah blah blah".

But let's be real, here. Shula was not good at his job, and Shula being bad at his job affected Stewart's ability to do his job (and everybody else's on that offense too).

He's not saying anything here that doesn't lend to what we already know. And the fact that nobody's called him despite there being numerous offensive coordinator openings tells me that it's no secret in the NFL either.