Gettleman takes shot at McAdoo

[carpanfan96]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Funny thing was, the things that people disliked here are factors that were cited by the Giants in why they hired him.

All business demeanor, doesn't let emotions factor in, makes the hard decisions and sticks by them, doesn't give a rat's ass about hurt feelings, doesn't get distracted by the outside noise, etc.  All positives up in New York.  Heck, they cited the Smith and Norman decisions as feathers in his cap. 

Meanwhile, we're still talking about the hurt feelings of a player that was cut four years ago, even after we went to the Super Bowl and posted the best season in team history without him.

A lot of people have complained about how Jerry Richardson ran the team like a family instead of a business.  Well, if you want the team to be run like a business, sometimes you're gonna piss people off.

Like I've said before, they see things a little differently in New York than we do down here.  But they have four Super Bowl victories to their credit using that approach.  What do we have?

I don't mind the Smith decision, hell I expected that to happen and generally wasn't really too shocked they cut him. There was some good reasons for what they did.

 

Norman however I don't agree with and history shows it was a bad move so far as the defense has fallen off since then in demeanor, take aways and pass defense. In this system he was obviously worth the money it would have taken to get him to stay. Imagine how good the defense would have been last year under Wilks if he had Norman taking care of half the field..

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, TheRed said:

Why on earth would you be talking about Shelton anyway?

If you see me here in 10 years still ranting about Edmund Kugbila, I expect you to lambast me too.

Why would I talk about a runningback we drafted in a thread about drafting runningbacks?  Boy, that's a tough one

So why were you talking about things Gettleman did in a thread about Star Lotulelei?

Or one about Newton's knee damage?

Or one about the Jaguars tagging Allen Robinson?

Or one about free agent receivers?

Or one about a free agent runningback?

Or one about the Newton concussion case?

All of these instances of you referencing Gettleman in threads that weren't about him are within the past week.

Seeing a pattern here?

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

I don't mind the Smith decision, hell I expected that to happen and generally wasn't really too shocked they cut him. There was some good reasons for what they did.

Norman however I don't agree with and history shows it was a bad move so far as the defense has fallen off since then in demeanor, take aways and pass defense. In this system he was obviously worth the money it would have taken to get him to stay. Imagine how good the defense would have been last year under Wilks if he had Norman taking care of half the field..

I wouldn't have paid Josh Norman 15 million, not in this system.

That said, yeah it would have been nice to have gotten something in return for him.  Whether we would have or not?  Unknown.  Teams hardly ever trade anything for Franchise tagged players anymore (too many have had it blow up in their faces).

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, frash.exe said:

you really need to get some thicker skin dude. about smith’s departure, gettleman’s demeanor, everything. it’s more likely he’s not slighting mcadoo and nj.com is just taking a soundbyte out of context and framing it in a way to entertain their readership bc every giants fan hates mcadoo forever for benching eli. 

the NY market is a shark tank. and gettleman’s not going to mince words while trying to get a point across like everybody wanted him to in carolina. it’s not gettleman’s fault that jerry ran this place like a mickey mouse organization for the last 20 years, and job security was based on appeasement to the meal tickets, instead of putting a better product on the field. i couldn’t give less of a fug how smith felt about getting cut. say what you want about the guy, but he made the tough decisions that hurney never did (when papa jerry let him), and he made them knowing that ppl weren’t going to be happy and it didn’t phase him. we all wanted a hard ass after 2012 when hurney got fired bc he had no answer for JR about why the team was 1-5 and we were in cap hell. and then we got one and we ended up hating him for being a hard ass and cutting guys that weren’t approaching their role on the team with any discipline.

and if gettleman fails in NY, at least he’ll fail knowing definitively that the decisions that were made were his own, not like here where there’s pressure and influence from ron, jerry, the players, the top cats, probably brandon beane, and whoever the hell else. i know the giants owners wanted a pats coach, but they deferred to dave and endowed him with the appropriate level of authority to make the hire he wanted. in contrast, dave came in here and had no control over who was going to be a part of the coaching staff from day one. i bet they don’t have weekend log cabin getaways with bed checks in new york either.

and the part about him not bringing enough personnel in to fill the holes is bullshit. he provided the coaches with enough talent to be contenders every year. if they want to try to stick square pegs in round holes and have a shitty two minute drill then there’s no amount of talent you can bring in to win a championship with that. this isn’t basketball, and you can’t just buy your way to a championship. strategy just plays way too big a part here.

Now I didn't really want to go here (as what I wrote was simple enough to understand), but since you just had to respond... 

Thick skin ain't got poo to do with believing that a man should look another man in the eye and tell him why he's firing him.

New York,  New York,  blah blah blah. 

As for filling holes and drafting,  you can believe what you want,  but I got six words for ya:

Landon Collins

Hunter Henry

Marshon Lattimore 

 

Very sensible picks that were arguably BPA and that filled a need. They were picks many many people were calling for,  and picks that I  believe that someone would have made that wanted to not only improve the team,  but get it over the hump. They were the picks yours truly would have made. Even as much as I like Corey Davis,  Lattimore would have been on my card as opposed to on that of our rival.  And it's nothing against any of the guys G-man picked.  They may turn out to be superb players, but there were better options and there really is more than one way to skin a cat.  

 

 

 

[TheRed]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Why would I talk about a runningback we drafted in a thread about drafting runningbacks?  Boy, that's a tough one

So why were you talking about things Gettleman did in a thread about Star Lotulelei?

Or one about Newton's knee damage?

Or one about the Jaguars tagging Allen Robinson?

Or one about free agent receivers?

Or one about a free agent runningback?

Or one about the Newton concussion case?

All of these instances of you referencing Gettleman in threads that weren't about him are within the past week.

Seeing a pattern here?

Everybody and their brother are discussing potential moves or lack of moves and the ramifications of such.

You can't discuss potential moves without acknowledging how we dug a hole to get there in the first place.

You claim to want discussion but only if it aligns with your conclusions.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, TheRed said:

Everybody and their brother are discussing potential moves or lack of moves and the ramifications of such.

You can't discuss potential moves without acknowledging how we dug a hole to get there in the first place.

You claim to want discussion but only if it aligns with your conclusions.

Actually, you can, and several people are.

But not you.  You're  shoehorning Gettleman into pretty much everything, including a discussion about a game that only happened a few weeks ago.

You're obsessed, dude.  Everybody can see it.

Let it go.

[TheRed]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

.You're obsessed, dude.  Everybody can see it.

Let it go.

That's some serious irony.

[JARROD]

 

for Mr Scot,...Ha

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, JARROD said:

 

for Mr Scot,...Ha

I honestly still haven't seen the movie.

Probably up to about a dozen viewings of "Civil War" now, though.

(my wife's not happy about that)

[JARROD]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I honestly still haven't seen the movie.

Probably up to about a dozen viewings of "Civil War" now, though.

(my wife's not happy about that)

Thor Ragnorak—- loved it.

civil war is awesome in all aspects except— the story— just hate the Captain America story line,... one big excuse to see one side of heroes fight another side.

you gotta see Frozen— only a true grench would frown.

 

[heel31ok]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Actually, you can, and several people are.

But not you.  You're  shoehorning Gettleman into pretty much everything, including a discussion about a game that only happened a few weeks ago.

You're obsessed, dude.  Everybody can see it.

Let it go.

Lol...you aren't everybody, though i think you really believe you are...

[CRA]

6 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Not a very "adult" thing to do, talking bad about former employees. Especially since there was no need to do so, seeing as he wasnt tied to McAdoo.  All he ever neede to say about the former coach is that he felt the team needed to go in a different direction.  This is another example of his unprofessionalism.  

yeah, Dave seems to lack certain people skills that generally come in handy.  Some people are great at certain things and not at others.  Maybe being a scout is what he does well.   He also doesn't really have to play "nice" in evaluating.    Management always involves....you know....actually dealing with people. 

 

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Thor Ragnorak—- loved it.

civil war is awesome in all aspects except— the story— just hate the Captain America story line,... one big excuse to see one side of heroes fight another side.

you gotta see Frozen— only a true grench would frown.

 

Thor Ragnorak - the perfect mix of action and comedy.  Best Thor movie IMO to date

[frash.exe]

53 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Now I didn't really want to go here (as what I wrote was simple enough to understand), but since you just had to respond... 

Thick skin ain't got poo to do with believing that a man should look another man in the eye and tell him why he's firing him.

New York,  New York,  blah blah blah. 

As for filling holes and drafting,  you can believe what you want,  but I got six words for ya:

Landon Collins

Hunter Henry

Marshon Lattimore 

 

Very sensible picks that were arguably BPA and that filled a need. They were picks many many people were calling for,  and picks that I  believe that someone would have made that wanted to not only improve the team,  but get it over the hump. They were the picks yours truly would have made. Even as much as I like Corey Davis,  Lattimore would have been on my card as opposed to on that of our rival.  And it's nothing against any of the guys G-man picked.  They may turn out to be superb players, but there were better options and there really is more than one way to skin a cat.

i will respond as long as someone needs to be set straight about a thing or two.

first of all this “look a man in the eye and etc etc” is hollywood bullshit, and knowing the fuging rumors about smith that went beyond his play on the field, if he needs someone to spell it out for him why he is a detriment to the team then he’s probably living in his own world instead of the real world. here’s the atom of steve smith’s tenure. we drafted him, he was here, he played well for a while, he got a fat contract, he cashed his checks, and he got cut.

nobody owes him his jersey retired, or a one day contract, or to have mint street renamed to agent 89 blvd. end of story. he decided to go out as an orange county crybaby and i lost any respect i had for the guy at that point. also idk how you’re faulting anybody for not looking someone in the face and giving them bad news when they’re the type of person that tries to start unprovoked brawls with another grown man in front of their family, like he did with wiggins. 

the other thing is with the draft and seriously like if i hear one more thing about how we should’ve taken this guy i had a good feeling about in this pick, round, year instead of the guy that the panthers took, i’m going to ddos the fug out of this site in perpetuity. none of you guys have access to the type of film they spend hours watching. the draft is closer to an absolute crapshoot than a science with a practice anyway, and if someone that you wanted us to draft pans out, and you think it makes you a good scout bc you rewatched the same 4 minutes of highlights, then go do something else with your time that’s actually productive like coaching youth football instead of proselytizing in child labor agony over what could have been if we just had players that gettleman didn’t draft.