Gettleman calls out Panthers draft strategy

[tiger7_88]

9 hours ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

Simply put his BPA philosophy is flawed. What if BPA is a corner every year you draft for 3 rounds? Do you draft them? No you'd have tons of talent in one area and hardly any everywhere else. It's got to be a combination of both need and BPA. You need x, y, and z positions and the BPA is a b position. However just under him is a y BPA. So you draft the y. You both filled a need and didn't reach. 

There's 32 picks in a round minimum as well as being 12 (QB, RB, WR, TE, C, OG, OT, DE, DT, LB, S, CB) different positions on the field (way more if you break down positions like WR into X-Y-Z, LB into outside and middle, split safeties into strong and free, consider the difference between OLB in a 4-3 and 3-4 defense, difference in 1-tech and 3-tech DTs, etc. etc. etc. plus add in special teamers and maybe even the archaic true FB position), so the statistical probability of you running into the same exact position as BPA year after year and/or round after round is pretty small, not even mentioning the fact that a scout or GMs draft board might have several players at different positions graded equally (or close to it).

So your "what if" is pretty silly.

[TheRed]

9 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

 

Nobody calls me out, do you hear me!?! Nobody!

 

[CarolinaSamurai]

32 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

There's 32 picks in a round minimum as well as being 12 (QB, RB, WR, TE, C, OG, OT, DE, DT, LB, S, CB) different positions on the field (way more if you break down positions like WR into X-Y-Z, LB into outside and middle, split safeties into strong and free, consider the difference between OLB in a 4-3 and 3-4 defense, difference in 1-tech and 3-tech DTs, etc. etc. etc. plus add in special teamers and maybe even the archaic true FB position), so the statistical probability of you running into the same exact position as BPA year after year and/or round after round is pretty small, not even mentioning the fact that a scout or GMs draft board might have several players at different positions graded equally (or close to it).

So your "what if" is pretty silly.

Yeah it's not like we drafted 3 cb in a row.....it never happens.....or two DT.....or drafted two DTs in the first round. Yes my example was hyperbole but it does happen. Why is our DE, safety, OT,  CB, WR positions still crap when DT, Guard, LB so stacked

[CatMan72]

It's safe to bet this sort of need vs. BPA conflict takes place between every GM and coaching staff in every draft room every year. 

Coaches look at what pieces they need, GMs look at value. 

So basically... nothing to see here except Gettleman using us as an example of this natural conflict of interests. 

Still don't understand why we rescinded the tag and let Norman walk for nothing... hopefully he gets around to explaining that some day. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

anddddddd that's why he got fired here 

[AU-panther]

The “BPA” talk is overplayed.  You can’t tell me that we didn’t chases some need.  

Also I don’t believe the players are separated on the board as much as some think. I can’t see one player having a grade of 88.7 and another having a grade of 88.6 and the team is going BPA even if they aren’t a position of need.

I prefer to think of it as you draft for need without reaching.  Also teams usually have more needs then fans say.  Players are always herring hurt or expensive, also some draft picks are for depth.

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

The “BPA” talk is overplayed.  You can’t tell me that we didn’t chases some need.  

Also I don’t believe the players are separated on the board as much as some think. I can’t see one player having a grade of 88.7 and another having a grade of 88.6 and the team is going BPA even if they aren’t a position of need.

I prefer to think of it as you draft for need without reaching.  Also teams usually have more needs then fans say.  Players are always herring hurt or expensive, also some draft picks are for depth.

Those grades are based as much or more on how those players fit your scheme and style of play as it does their own skill level or ability.  BPA on your board will not be the same as mine or anyone else's so it's just hyperbole.  Needs are just one variable in this guessing game. 

[TheRed]

Bluster and ego alone can't compensate for a lack of personnel management skills or a lack of people skills.

He knew his way around hog mollies, and a defensive line. But when you start to evaluate his body of work as a whole in terms of his roster management overall, the results just don't add up with his braggadocious rhetoric that he was celebrated for here.

People confuse being charismatic or witty in a press conference with being a top GM.

[Cpt slay a ho]

This sounds like a poor excuse for not addressing the team weakness during his tenure, bpa is the most overrated philosophy draft wise and sole reason we have two guys in the first round who basically are glorified depth. 

[TheRed]

You don't just coincidentally go from executive of the year to 6 wins unless you rested on your laurels.

[Jon Snow]

12 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

This sounds like a poor excuse for not addressing the team weakness during his tenure, bpa is the most overrated philosophy draft wise and sole reason we have two guys in the first round who basically are glorified depth. 

He addressed them his way, not yours.  The weaknesses you speak of are a coaches decision to address through his GM.  Based on their joint decisions in the draft and post draft pressers they thought they had done enough when combined with FA to field a competitive team.

That's what all teams do.  You're record the following year is the only indicator of your success or failure.  Rince and repeat until you are fired or retire, whichever comes first.

[Cpt slay a ho]

53 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

He addressed them his way, not yours.  The weaknesses you speak of are a coaches decision to address through his GM.  Based on their joint decisions in the draft and post draft pressers they thought they had done enough when combined with FA to field a competitive team.

That's what all teams do.  You're record the following year is the only indicator of your success or failure.  Rince and repeat until you are fired or retire, whichever comes first.

Well his way got him fired so yeah,if T or CB is constantly the reason we either fall short of a Superbowl or playoffs year after year and it's not address than yes the gm is not addressing the team's weakness, and that's a problem when you have a cornerstone lb and franchise qb set in place. If he felt the draft didn't have any tackles or cb's worth drafting than he should sign one in fa or propose a trade, instead of just throwing practice squad players or cheap vets into those positions.

[TheRed]

How exactly is it following "BPA" if you panic and use your first 2 picks in the draft to replace one cornerback?

[Jon Snow]

17 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Well his way got him fired so yeah,if T or CB is constantly the reason we either fall short of a Superbowl or playoffs year after year and it's not address than yes the gm is not addressing the team's weakness, and that's a problem when you have a cornerstone lb and franchise qb set in place. If he felt the draft didn't have any tackles or cb's worth drafting than he should sign one in fa or propose a trade, instead of just throwing practice squad players or cheap vets into those positions.

That's one way to look at it.  I don't particularly think your analogy is accurate in this regard but to each his own.  I'm not losing any sleep over it.