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Gettleman calls out Panthers draft strategy

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6 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's also the one that the vast majority of NFL teams swear by.

 

That's not how it works.

A BPA draft board doesn't look like a rigid list of guys ranked 1 to 253.  It puts players into tiers based on how good they are at what they do.

So let's say you have two players ranked about equally.  One has a little better draft grade but isn't at a position of need.  The other guy is.  You take the other guy because the difference isn't significant. You're getting someone who can make your team better either way, but this guy adds the extra dimension of filling a hole in your roster.

On the flipside, let's say you've got a choice between using your first round pick on a phenomenal safety (even though your team already has a decent one) or an average at best, and more likely lousy, tackle (and your team does need one). This is where you chose the better guy because all you're doing by reaching for need is adding a player who doesn't make your team better and passing on one who would. that's where "mistakes are made" and teams wind up regretting their decision.

Does that leave you with a need you still have to address?  Sure it does, but taking the lousy player doesn't fill that need either.  Worse, it prevents you from taking someone who could have genuinely helped the team, even if it didn't happen to be in that spot.

To summarize, BPA doesn't ignore need.  It just deprioritizes it.

Now if you're talking about Gettleman specifically, he preferred to fill immediate needs with free agents so that the draft could be done as BPA, but with the cap situation we had that wasn't always possible.

And FYI, Hurney believes in BPA too.  That's why he drafted Luke Kuechly over Fletcher Cox and Dontari Poe even though we needed a defensive tackle (or two) and already had Jon Beason at middle linebacker.

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idk if he was calling out the fanbase. if he was, it would read more like this

PICK A TACKLE! WE NEED A TACKLE!

*panthers pick a tackle*

**tackle has one bad game**

WHY TF DID YOU PICK A TACKLE! THE VALUE WASN’T THERE! I SAID FROM THE BEGINNING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN (WR/Safety/USC Gamecocks product)!!!

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8 hours ago, PandaPancake said:

You fugheads are like the guy that breaks up with a girl but no one else can date her.

I mean... I agree with you but Gettleman is also acting like the jilted GF here by calling out the ex bf's family (the fans / media).

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's also the one that the vast majority of NFL teams swear by.

 

That's not how it works.

A BPA draft board doesn't look like a rigid list of guys ranked 1 to 253.  It puts players into tiers based on how good they are at what they do.

So let's say you have two players ranked about equally.  One has a little better draft grade but isn't at a position of need.  The other guy is.  You take the other guy because the difference isn't significant. You're getting someone who can make your team better either way, but this guy adds the extra dimension of filling a hole in your roster.

On the flipside, let's say you've got a choice between using your first round pick on a phenomenal safety (even though your team already has a decent one) or an average at best, and more likely lousy, tackle (and your team does need one). This is where you chose the better guy because all you're doing by reaching for need is adding a player who doesn't make your team better and passing on one who would. that's where "mistakes are made" and teams wind up regretting their decision.

Does that leave you with a need you still have to address?  Sure it does, but taking the lousy player doesn't fill that need either.  Worse, it prevents you from taking someone who could have genuinely helped the team, even if it didn't happen to be in that spot.

To summarize, BPA doesn't ignore need.  It just deprioritizes it.

Now if you're talking about Gettleman specifically, he preferred to fill immediate needs with free agents so that the draft could be done as BPA, but with the cap situation we had that wasn't always possible.

And FYI, Hurney believes in BPA too.  That's why he drafted Luke Kuechly over Fletcher Cox and Dontari Poe even though we needed a defensive tackle (or two) and already had Jon Beason at middle linebacker.

Come now Mr. Scot, youve been here long enough to know that sane, logical discussion and facts aren't welcome here on the Huddle. Lol

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1 minute ago, UpstatePanther said:

I mean... I agree with you but Gettleman is also acting like the jilted GF here by calling out the ex bf's family (the fans / media).

Come now Mr. Scot, youve been here long enough to know that sane, logical discussion and facts aren't welcome here on the Huddle. Lol

or allegory...which is the same as facts...Image result for yogi berra

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6 hours ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

u cant tell me that CMC was BPA at 8 last year lmao getts

This.... Maybe Shula was crying for CMC..... Now CMC is not the total package like he thought he was and Ron fires Shula.... yay...lol What a REACH for a top 8 pick... We missed out on the BEST RB and CB drafting CMC so high lol Great Job Panthers... Let us get it right this year. No more hype players... no more fantasies about "evolution of the game with one player" Come back to Earth....

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7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's also the one that the vast majority of NFL teams swear by.

 

That's not how it works.

A BPA draft board doesn't look like a rigid list of guys ranked 1 to 253.  It puts players into tiers based on how good they are at what they do.

So let's say you have two players ranked about equally.  One has a little better draft grade but isn't at a position of need.  The other guy is.  You take the other guy because the difference isn't significant. You're getting someone who can make your team better either way, but this guy adds the extra dimension of filling a hole in your roster.

On the flipside, let's say you've got a choice between using your first round pick on a phenomenal safety (even though your team already has a decent one) or an average at best, and more likely lousy, tackle (and your team does need one). This is where you chose the better guy because all you're doing by reaching for need is adding a player who doesn't make your team better and passing on one who would. that's where "mistakes are made" and teams wind up regretting their decision.

Does that leave you with a need you still have to address?  Sure it does, but taking the lousy player doesn't fill that need either.  Worse, it prevents you from taking someone who could have genuinely helped the team, even if it didn't happen to be in that spot.

To summarize, BPA doesn't ignore need.  It just deprioritizes it.

Now if you're talking about Gettleman specifically, he preferred to fill immediate needs with free agents so that the draft could be done as BPA, but with the cap situation we had that wasn't always possible.

And FYI, Hurney believes in BPA too.  That's why he drafted Luke Kuechly over Fletcher Cox and Dontari Poe even though we needed a defensive tackle (or two) and already had Jon Beason at middle linebacker.

The cap made it difficult to fill need I agree. But I don't agree Gman followed the BPA properly. He made choices that left huge gapping holes in areas that needed to be filled that free agency just couldnt because cost or more importantly quality of players available at that position. The players he drafted in my opinion weren't BPA because many couldn't even crack our starting roster. Look at the picks we all agree he went for need they immediatly started. When a second and third rounder are immediately starting and your first rounders are sitting on a bench something went terribly wrong. To me that means you didn't address positions correctly in both FA and the draft. Also when positions you've been weak in are still weak after years of drafting then you messed up there too. 

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