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Adam Schefter thinks we SHOULD, not will, trade for Brady Quinn.

Dpantherman

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How would you pay him.

He still has a couple of years left on his rookie deal that don't involve a huge sum of money (unless he plays 80% of the snaps or something) so that shouldn't deter us. If he is good enough to play 80% of the snaps then pay the man.

I'd love to get him for a 4th rounder. Why the hell not?

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Wouldn't his salary hit our cap figures? If I recall, we've got like a buck-eighty-two left to spend at this point.

If we could get him, I would, just as a project. Jake may have one to two years of tread left on his tires and we need someone with some kind of potential. We're not exactly in the running for The Golden Calf of Bristol next year, yanno.

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we keep talking about the draft, but the thing is, fox/hurney have never drafted a QB outside the 4th round. What makes you think they would do it this time, or be successful doing it. they fail every single time.

Let's see....

In 2002 they could have had Joey Harrington instead of Peppers.

In 2003 they could have taken Kyle Boller, or maybe traded down and taken Rex Grossman. Instead they took Gross

In 2004 they didn't have a real shot at anyone in the first round. They could have overspent for Matt Schaub I guess...

In 2005 they could have taken Aaron Rodgers or Jason Campbell instead of Thomas Davis

In 2006 the best they could have done was Kellen Clemens, assuming they traded down for him. I would rather they have DeAngelo Williams.

In 2007 they could have gotten Brady Quinn, instead they made a trade for Jon Beason and Ryan Kalil

In 2008 they could have grabbed Joe Flacco instead of Jonathan Stewart

This year they had no shot at anyone worth a damn...

So tell me what pick should they have made? They've never taken a receiver in the first round, does that mean they won't? How about a safety?

Fox has said he doesn't want to spend a lot of money on a quarterback and have him sit for a couple years. Well, now he's in a position where that becomes a need. So who knows what they'll do? Given how deep this class is at QB, I wouldn't rule it out.

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Wouldn't his salary hit our cap figures? If I recall, we've got like a buck-eighty-two left to spend at this point.

If we could get him, I would, just as a project. Jake may have one to two years of tread left on his tires and we need someone with some kind of potential. We're not exactly in the running for The Golden Calf of Bristol next year, yanno.

I hear the 49ers are though!

Brady Quinn is trash

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Let's see....

In 2002 they could have had Joey Harrington instead of Peppers.

In 2003 they could have taken Kyle Boller, or maybe traded down and taken Rex Grossman. Instead they took Gross

In 2004 they didn't have a real shot at anyone in the first round. They could have overspent for Matt Schaub I guess...

In 2005 they could have taken Aaron Rodgers or Jason Campbell instead of Thomas Davis

In 2006 the best they could have done was Kellen Clemens, assuming they traded down for him. I would rather they have DeAngelo Williams.

In 2007 they could have gotten Brady Quinn, instead they made a trade for Jon Beason and Ryan Kalil

In 2008 they could have grabbed Joe Flacco instead of Jonathan Stewart

This year they had no shot at anyone worth a damn...

So tell me what pick should they have made? They've never taken a receiver in the first round, does that mean they won't? How about a safety?

Fox has said he doesn't want to spend a lot of money on a quarterback and have him sit for a couple years. Well, now he's in a position where that becomes a need. So who knows what they'll do? Given how deep this class is at QB, I wouldn't rule it out.

of course you failed to mention my point, which was the QBs that they DID draft have been garbage. 4 QBs in the 4th round. they've tried it before, THATS why i said i dont think they can do it.

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They've taken Lefors, that's all. There have been others, but they were before Fox and Hurney ran the draft. So that's one quarterback they took, who turned out to be garbage.

In 2002, 15 QBs were taken, 1 is a starter (David Garrard, 4th round)

In 2003, 13 QBs were taken, 1 is a starter (Carson Palmer, 1st overall)

In 2004, 17 QBs were taken, 4 are starters (1st rounders Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, and Big Ben, and 3rd rounder Matt Schaub)

In 2005, 14 QBs were taken, 5 are starters (1st rounders Aaron Rodgers and Jason Campbell, 3rd rounder Kyle Orton, 6th rounder Derek Anderson, 7th rounder Matt Cassell)

In 2006, 12 QBs were taken, 1 is starting (1st rounder Jay Cutler)

In 2007, 11 QBs were taken, 2 are starting (1st overall JaMarcus Russell, 3rd rounder Trent Edwards)

In 2008, 13 were taken, 4 are starting (1st rounders Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, 2nd rounder Chad Henne, 5th rounder Josh Johnson)

In 2009, 11 were taken, 2 are starting (1st rounders Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez)

So in the Fox/Hurney era, 106 quarterbacks have been taken. Of those, 20 are starting. Of those 20, 12 were taken in the first round. So just off the top of your head, if you draft a quarterback you have roughly an 80% chance of them being "garbage" and about a 20% chance of finding a serviceable starter. If it's outside the first round, you end up with something like an 8% chance of finding a starter. And that's not saying the starter will be anything special--Derek Anderson comes to mind here.

Like it or not, the Panthers have had a decent (not great) starter since 2003. During that time they've had backups that they drafted and that they've signed in free agency.

The odds are very much against them finding a good quarterback in the draft, so they haven't drafted but one. If they have a pick high enough to get someone worth the gamble, and that someone is available, why do you think they won't take him?

Armed with all that information, maybe you can make your point again so I can understand it. I'm really missing it here. :)

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