Soooo... which RB will Hurney be selecting in round 1?

[Car123]

4 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

don’t just call out revisionism when the argument suits your purposes

here’s another fact: revis was an all pro 4x over. maybe if you can do some research beyond panthers rosters instead of sucking off our first round picks in a particular 10 year span you’d have recognized that.

We drafted Star while DeAndre Hopkins was still on the board. We could have solved our WR issues.

See how dumb your argument sounds?

[Chardee MacDennis]

Well, Cam Robinson is trash because he can't stop an old as poo James Harrison from blowing past him. So, clearly he's a bust. And LF has not done anything this half. He's a bust too. 

[frash.exe]

12 minutes ago, Car123 said:

We drafted Star while DeAndre Hopkins was still on the board. We could have solved our WR issues.

See how dumb your argument sounds?

we sure as poo solved our DT issues when we picked him. that’s around the time we became an elite defense again.

the defense was always mediocre with beason on the field

[Car123]

3 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

we sure as poo solved our DT issues when we picked him. that’s around the time we became an elite defense again.

the defense was always mediocre with beason on the field

CB wasn’t a need. Richard Marshall had a good rookie year in 2006 and we already had Chris Gamble. We had a huge hole at MLB. Beason was the right pick.

[frash.exe]

2 minutes ago, Car123 said:

CB wasn’t a need. Richard Marshall had a good rookie year in 2006 and we already had Chris Gamble. We had a huge hole at MLB. Beason was the right pick.

i thought hurney doesn’t draft for need; he drafts BPA. that’s why he’s always so great with these first round picks...

[Car123]

2 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

i thought hurney doesn’t draft for need; he drafts BPA. that’s why he’s always so great with these first round picks...

Who the hell said that?

[frash.exe]

10 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Who the hell said that?

his draft philosophy has been heavily discussed not just on here since time immemorial

[Car123]

1 minute ago, frash.exe said:

his draft philosophy has been heavily discussed not just on here since time immemorial

When did selecting the BPA mean you're drafting a surefire hit. Players as bad as Clausen have been the BPA on many teams' board.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Both sucked both got fired, hurney drafted better dg handled the cap better.

[frash.exe]

14 minutes ago, Car123 said:

When did selecting the BPA mean you're drafting a surefire hit. Players as bad as Clausen have been the BPA on many teams' board.

yea 

jimmy was BPA for many teams and somehow made it to 48...

[Car123]

Just now, frash.exe said:

yea 

jimmy was BPA for many teams and somehow made it to 48...

You aren’t making any sense.

A 7th rounder could be BPA for a lot of teams at the time of his selection.

[Chardee MacDennis]

9 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

yea 

jimmy was BPA for many teams and somehow made it to 48...

Not sure you understand what BPA means...

[WOW!!]

52 minutes ago, Chardee MacDennis said:

Not sure you understand what BPA means...

I'm not sure he understands what conversation he's in.. He just wants to hate on Hurney.. We could be talking about Diner Drive ins and Dives and he would bring up how bad Eric Shelton was..lol

[frash.exe]

24 minutes ago, Car123 said:

You aren’t making any sense.

A 7th rounder could be BPA for a lot of teams at the time of his selection.

marty hurney had a habit towards the end of drafting players in the second round that he had applied a first round grade to. he did it with everette brown, he did it with dwayne jarrett. he really liked jimmy clausen and i don’t know of any other gm that was confirmed to be trying to trade up for jimmy besides hurney. he obviously put a higher value on him than most other teams. so it doesn’t follow that he’s this first round guru that many people claim him to be, if he’s applying first round grades to these guys.

the other thing to consider is that of all of hurney’s first round picks (there are 10 of them), four of them were in the top 10. so the proportion of blue chip players available in that part of the draft is going to help your success rate. the four guys we picked are easily the best players he ever drafted (peppers, gross, newton, kuechly). so if we were in the top 10, i’d feel a lot more comfortable with him scouting the draft this year. but we’re not picking top ten. we’re picking 24th, in red chip land. and when it comes to picking red chips, hurney is as inconsistent as anybody else. this is something that gettleman was so much better than hurney at judging.

so, as far as players he picked in the 20s? gamble, williams, beason, otah. not really a showcase of gamechangers in comparison imo. and this is closer to the reality of what we’re likely to walk away with in the first round this year, assuming that we stay put. a lot of praise that hurney gets for picking in the first round is because of those top ten picks, especially the last two. 

my overarching point in all of this is that hurney is mortal in the first round like anybody else. so we might get a servicable starter in the draft, and this may be our best player acquisition this offseason, as our first round pick has been many times during hurney’s first run.