Panthers WRs separate better than I thought

[KillerKat]

[stirs]

Not what the Huddle wanted to hear

[NOVA_Panthers85]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

stats often lie and misrepresent the truth. 

 

Especially in football. There is too much going on, too many variables, too many unknowns to the guys making the stats. Can't money ball it like baseball. 

[Jangler]

separation? from each other?

[CPF4LIFE]

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[top dawg]

2 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

I don’t believe it for a second.  It seems like most of these stats and analysis sites just figure out a formula, that is complex enough that average people will just buy it without the effort of questioning it, and run with it. 

These "formulas" aren't that complex, and all the players are judged by the same stat.  NextGen stats looks at all kinds of things, and separation from the DBs by the receiver when the QB releases the ball is pretty cut-and-dried. There is no ulterior motive,  and Matt Harmon,  etc. isn't conspiring to make anyone look good or bad. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Jangler said:

separation? from each other?

That's actually relevant when your plays are designed by Mike Shula.

[Manther]

I find it interesting that NE is near the bottom of both lists.  Apparently defender position, ball placement and timing are much more important than separation.

[Newtcase]

Stats in a vacuum just don't tell you a lot.  For example saying a RB has 5 ypc average on 20 runs, 19 for 1 yard and 1 for 81 would be quite misleading but true.  In the same sense, a stat like this could be skewed by a couple of plays with busted coverage where a receiver was 20 yards+ open, or even by entire games against a trash secondary.  You have to take data like this and combine with the eye test.  Were our receivers wide open all year and none of us noticed?

I recall another stat somewhere that said Cam through into tight windows more often than other QB, how does this reconcile?

[Pantha-kun]

i call bullshit. I watched way too many games this year where our guys couldn't seperate worth  a damn. thats what allow defenses to stack the box against us because we dont have guys that can beat DBs consitently with their skillset. 

what made it even more frustrating was watching how easily our secondary got burned by opposing WRs. Constantly saw guys catch balls well down the field in huge chunks of space. It makes you seriously wonder what we are doing wrong if a litany of other teams can pass so incredibly easily.

Some of it was undoubtedly Shulas plays, then cams inaccuracy, but  Id put most of it on the WRs we had not beating their one on one matchups. Also injuries too , but you cant use that as the sole excuse. If you have 2 guys go down and no one else on the roster can get open consistently, then thats a player personnell/GM problem that hurney inhereted from gettleman.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Pantha-kun said:

i call bullshit. I watched way too many games this year where our guys couldn't seperate worth  a damn. thats what allow defenses to stack the box against us because we dont have guys that can beat DBs consitently with their skillset. 

what made it even more frustrating was watching how easily our secondary got burned by opposing WRs. Constantly saw guys catch balls well down the field in huge chunks of space. It makes you seriously wonder what we are doing wrong if a litany of other teams can pass so incredibly easily.

Some of it was undoubtedly Shulas plays, then cams inaccuracy, but  Id put most of it on the WRs we had not beating their one on one matchups. Also injuries too , but you cant use that as the sole excuse. If you have 2 guys go down and no one else on the roster can get open consistently, then thats a player personnell/GM problem that hurney inhereted from gettleman.

I will say that it's at least conceivable that poor play design and predictable playcalling are a big part of the issue there.

When you're running "training camp day one" routes and not showing opponents anything new, it definitely hurts.

[CRA]

2 hours ago, NOVA_Panthers85 said:

Especially in football. There is too much going on, too many variables, too many unknowns to the guys making the stats. Can't money ball it like baseball. 

kinda like taking two random completion % numbers.......and acting like that proves who is a better passer.  Ignoring the offensive schemes and actual throws made. 

[panther252]

I hate these stats. We are also a top 10 rushing team and media will always fluff how we run the ball well, when reality the struggles are painfully real. It's just Cam and friends. Bottom line, we need receivers who can create separation as a top priority. 

[mc52beast]

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