Report of Sean Payton taunting Viking fans confirmed to be true

[TheRed]

3 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

I never rationalized anyone cheering an injury. 

I know Cam is a sensitive subject for you, but the truth hurts sometimes lol.

 

8 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

Douchebag is a strong word that I wouldn't use to describe anyone I don't know personally. I think Payton has a lot of the same qualities and brashness that you guys often celebrate in Cam at QB. Would I call Cam a douchebag, other than in comparing him to Payton? No. Both have a way of rubbing opposing fans the wrong way and endearing themselves to the home crowd.

Douchebag is too easy, that's a generic go to. I think SP is an egomaniac. That in itself is common in sports. But he is also clearly unhinged, and the addition of that variable from a middle aged man is when you have to step back and wonder is this guy stable enough to actually be a head coach?

Cam is undoubtedly cocky, though he's no different than guys like Brady or Rodgers. Players jaw at other players, it happens, it's routine. But you're trying to compare normal behavior as a competitor from a quarterback, or any player for that matter, to a head coach taunting fans. And let's not forget this same head coach has quite the sketchy past. From bountygate, to the vicodin fiasco, you name it. Quite frankly I don't have much faith in you as a human being if you don't at least take some kind of issue with Payton's lengthy track record of sketchy behavior as a head coach. Doing so honestly makes you indistinguishable from the Saints fans that steal gameballs from opposing female fans. At some point you have to ask yourself, does he maybe need some help? Ponder on it dude. But stop posting if all you've got is "buh buh buh Cam Newton" because it is really beneath you.

[TheRed]

There's a difference between talk between players and taking aim at fans.

[saints4lifeagain]

2 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Well you bash ours and we will bash yours.

isnt that how the world works?

Cam dabbed more than a few times in New Orleans— but usually when he won or knew he would win.

the secret is to dab and win. If you are going to make chokes at fans and such, you might want to wait until you’ve actually won the game.....

as in kneel down mode,.. 

also, I don’t remember Ron dabbing or making choke signs or taunting fans....There’s a difference in a coach doing it and a player doing it— or maybe not.

who knows. It’s fun building glass houses and throwing rocks—- truly.

 

There's a difference in a coach and player.

That's the same bs I hear about Cam. It's different for a QB than a WR! 

No it's not. It's football. It's supposed to be fun. If fans want to talk poo to Payton and he wants to talk poo back, that's on him. If Cam wants to dance and talk poo the same way every other position on the field does, that's on him. 

It's all fun when you win. People point it out when you lose though.

[TheRed]

2 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

No it's not. It's football. It's supposed to be fun.

If it's just all in fun, why was your head coach allowing his staff to run a pay for play program to take opposing players out of the game?

[saints4lifeagain]

3 minutes ago, TheRed said:

 

Douchebag is too easy, that's a generic go to. I think SP is an egomaniac. That in itself is common in sports. But he is also clearly unhinged, and the addition of that variable from a middle aged man is when you have to step back and wonder is this guy stable enough to actually be a head coach?

Cam is undoubtedly cocky, though he's no different than guys like Brady or Rodgers. Players jaw at other players, it happens, it's routine. But you're trying to compare normal behavior as a competitor from a quarterback, or any player for that matter, to a head coach taunting fans. And let's not forget this same head coach has quite the sketchy past. From bountygate, to the vicodin fiasco, you name it. Quite frankly I don't have much faith in you as a human being if you don't at least take some kind of issue with Payton's lengthy track record of sketchy behavior as a head coach. Doing so honestly makes you indistinguishable from the Saints fans that steal gameballs from opposing female fans. At some point you have to ask yourself, does he maybe need some help? Ponder on it dude. But stop posting if all you've got is "buh buh buh Cam Newton" because it is really beneath you.

I'm not going to argue about Bountygate every time Payton is brought up. Payton wasn't suspended for having anything to do with Bountygate, as they had zero evidence to tie him to it. He was suspended because he "should have known". So it is what it is.

The vicodin bs was also nothing but allegations. Vitt was the one on camera stealing pills and then going to a diversion program afterwards. There was never any proof that Payton did anything. But those of you on the internet ran with it. 

The indistinguishable comment was pretty funny, however.

[TheRed]

Just now, saints4lifeagain said:

I'm not going to argue about Bountygate every time Payton is brought up. Payton wasn't suspended for having anything to do with Bountygate, as they had zero evidence to tie him to it. He was suspended because he "should have known". So it is what it is.

The vicodin bs was also nothing but allegations. Vitt was the one on camera stealing pills and then going to a diversion program afterwards. There was never any proof that Payton did anything. But those of you on the internet ran with it. 

The indistinguishable comment was pretty funny, however.

Your response to your coaching staff directing and compensating players to purposely injure other players is "it is what it is"?

But you're going to posture about Cam Newton celebrating?

Unreal.

[saints4lifeagain]

3 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Your response to your coaching staff directing and compensating players to purposely injure other players is "it is what it is"?

But you're going to posture about Cam Newton celebrating?

Unreal.

That's precisely what I said, if you ignore everything else. 

I've said about 5 times I have no issue with Cam celebrating. You seem to be stuck on my first comment, in which I was just drawing a comparison. 

[TheRed]

12 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

That's precisely what I said, if you ignore everything else. 

I've said about 5 times I have no issue with Cam celebrating. You seem to be stuck on my first comment, in which I was just drawing a comparison. 

The comparison doesn't hold water. You're the one who dragged Newton into the convo. Don't get all pissy about it now.

I get it. You want to stick up for your team and staff. It's a part of fandom. But honestly it's the ugly part. If Ron Rivera had the kind of past Payton has he would have been fired a lonnnnnnng time ago and you can bet your ass a hefty amount of fans would have been calling for his job. Frankly I don't think any minority head coach would be able to walk away as unscathed as Payton has over the years through the controversies with him and his staff. But that's for another conversation. And the only reason I mention it is because of how little respect many teams seem to have for the Rooney Rule.

[PantherNation123]

How is this piece of poo still in the league?  One of the trashiest public figures (obviously is tops for coaches) in the world.

[PantherNation123]

27 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

I'm not going to argue about Bountygate every time Payton is brought up. Payton wasn't suspended for having anything to do with Bountygate, as they had zero evidence to tie him to it. He was suspended because he "should have known". So it is what it is.

The vicodin bs was also nothing but allegations. Vitt was the one on camera stealing pills and then going to a diversion program afterwards. There was never any proof that Payton did anything. But those of you on the internet ran with it. 

The indistinguishable comment was pretty funny, however.

If you don't think Payton knew about bountygate, then literally nothing you say is credible.  That's just pure blindness if you can't see that he knew about it.  Come on bud

[saints4lifeagain]

12 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

well let me tell you it was fun as hell watching the end of that game only to find out later that your piece of poo coach spent a bit too much time mocking fans when he maybe should have been giving number 43 a last minute refresher on the fundamentals of tackling lol

They had a talk with all the DBs lol. Dude panicked.

[saints4lifeagain]

12 minutes ago, TheRed said:

The comparison doesn't hold water. You're the one who dragged Newton into the convo. Don't get all pissy about it now.

I get it. You want to stick up for your team and staff. It's a part of fandom. But honestly it's the ugly part. If Ron Rivera had the kind of past Payton has he would have been fired a lonnnnnnng time ago and you can bet your ass a hefty amount of fans would have been calling for his job. Frankly I don't think any minority head coach would be able to walk away as unscathed as Payton has over the years through the controversies with him and his staff. But that's for another conversation. And the only reason I mention it is because of how little respect many teams seem to have for the Rooney Rule.

I'm not pissy, and I'm not sticking up for anyone. Simply saying I have no problem with any of it, from anyone.

[Steve_Smith_Sr.]

Payton is the epitome of douche.  Seeing him mock fans, then lose the way they did is just perfection.

I'm sure it won't stop him from doing it again however because douches gonna douche.

[GusLevy]

Random observations/thoughts:

1. The general comportment of Leaders is extremely important in all facets of society...most human beings like all animals are followers, and seek out leaders for signals, cues and direction.

With football coaches, imo, it is very critical that the Head Coach exudes an air and sense of calm and composure - football is a fast and violent game that must have players continuously analyzing and executing. Once a HC loses his senses and emotions, it would then be impossible for him to draw out the proper emotions out of his own players which is a critical element in football. Football players' execution can be enhanced by manipulating their emotions properly - on the other hand, wise decisions cannot be made by HC who are overwhelmed by their own emotions.

It's interesting that Payton stated that he regretted losing his emotions during the Falcons "choke" game:

"Listen, the mistake I made that night was letting, obviously, my emotions get the best of me. It's the same thing we talk about with our players all the time. And it wasn't good. I felt like, man, as that game went on, it even affected me just in calling plays. I've got to be better that way. It was really more a frustration from some of the officiating. But you learn, even when you've been in this thing as long as I have. It's something that you regret. And you just look back on it and think, 'What are you doing?'"

They ended up losing that game by 3pts. A win would have prob changed their playoff seeding. The fact that Payton did this "skol" act before giving up the greatest gaffe in NFL playoff history is proof that he needs to learn how to control his own demons.

2. The PAT attempt was very relevant for many bettors. The line was Minn -5.5 for many bettors so the inability to kick that last PAT caused great pain for many souls out there. 

That crazy Diggs play switched a NO ATS win into a Minn win for many, took the game from an Under win to a Over win, and ripped the hearts out of the 80% money-line players who held a NO ticket that paid +180...ouch ouch ouch....

3. The relevance of Don Coryell. The miracle pass play to Diggs was a pass-pattern created by Coryell. I can see it now, Winslow takes the under route while Joiner takes the post route that Fouts delivers the money ball to...

4. Diggs scouting profile:

BOTTOM LINE

 Doesn't possess the strength or long speed to make a living as an outside receiver, but he can be an extremely effective weapon from the slot as a pro, turning short third-down throws into first downs. Diggs can make things happen when he has the ball in his hands and could become a consistent, productive weapon for the right offensive coordinator.

I love the Minn receiving duo of Thielen and Diggs. Undrafted white receiver who ran a 4.35 40yd and an undersized 5th-round receiver who ran a 4.46 40yd that projected to a possession slot guy...