Time to clean house part 2

[OldNorthPowell]

I have already made one of these type of posts, but think of this as an update. 

 

What has been good so far:

-Lamb has been good

-Frank has been inconsistent but is getting better. 

-Rookies have shown glimpses of great things ahead WHEN given minutes. 

 

What has been going wrong:

-Kemba still being forced to be the only legitimate scoring option. 

-Howard playing solid but horrible free throw shooting. 

-MKG, Batum, and Marvin Williams are bench players starting on an NBA roster. 

-Everyone else is meh or in the case of MCW sucks. 

 

What needs to be done :

Trade away everyone you can other than young talent, play younger players more, tank the rest of the season, and clean the entire front office including scouts. Fire Clifford and his entire staff. Start over with a clean slate. The quicker they realize this the better it will be for them. 

 

Just my opinion, but it is what it is. 

[Daddy_Uncle]

2 hours ago, theballboy said:

I hate to clean house bc I believe we can easily be a top3 in the East. If we can add 1-2 more legitimate starters with Kemba and Dwight. We won 16 games bc of Kemba. Without Kemba, I think we are winless. But even so, we wouldn’t really be a legitimate contender to win the East. It would take adding a PG13 or Anthony Davis caliber player. Not some Nic Batum bullshit. 

So as I finish what I was saying, yes it is time to clean house. Trade Kemba (our best player) for a great deal, not some bullshit like Frank Ntilikina and middle 1st round pick. I think we can easily trade Frank and Lamb. Someone might think Nic is still good enough to be a piece on their team. You gotta keep Monk just bc he’s young and has ceiling. 

it doesn't matter what we do. We have to clean house entirely and hope to have many years of top 3 picks in a row to build a team. It's almost impossible but its the only chance we have. We aren't going to compete with GS or any other top team by adding more mid tier players. Even adding a superstar would not be enough. The NBA is pointless to watch because its always going to be the same teams in the finals every year because the superstars gang up on one team. That skinny nerd commissioner has got to do something about addressing competitive balance. He also needs to get rid of the dumbass draft lottery that just seems to gift certain teams draft picks, but screws us every year. i see no point in watching the Hornets and getting emotionally invested because until they load the team up with several superstars they are going to do nothing. period.

[peteywheatstraw]

I agree with almost everything in this thread.  Dump everyone but keep the young talent, and let them play significant minutes similar to what the Lakers are doing and before that Philly.  Eat poo for a few years, and hopefully hit on our draft picks, and then try to lure a big name/talent via trade or free agency.  I don't have faith in Cho to make the right picks.  We also need a fresh younger and hungrier coach to help rebuild.   I kinda like Fizdale formerly of the Grizz.  Seemed he got a raw deal.

[Ornias]

Keep Bacon and Monk, trade everyone else, even Kemba, and fire the entire front office. Kemba is the best player drafted by this team, but he will win us enough games on his own to keep the team out the top 3 picks. Jordan needs to hire someone with a clue and let them run the team. 

[BIGH2001]

There's no point in even watching the NBA until the conference finals due to the predictability.  The regular season is an 82 game exhibition along with the first two rounds of the playoffs.  The league has a good product as evidenced by tv ratings, but I don't know why players or management on a team like the hornets would even bother put in more than average effort when everything they do is meaningless anyway.

[OldNorthPowell]

Sad part is that the team will just ignore the failures and bad moves. Any other team would have fired the entire front office by now. Instead the team is okay with losing, and also barely missing the playoffs. It seems like no moves will be made. Halfway through the season they are 9 games below .500, and yet the team still ignores that. They will probably use the excuse of Clifford being out. However, the team was struggling just as much if not more with him as coach. The team has no idea how to build a top 4 team in the east. Either they change or fans will tune them out. 

[TheRed]

I hate to say it. But honestly I don't think it matters if we blow it up or not. Not much is actually going to change. Not until the NBA does something about the comical lack of parity and talent across the league. The fact that the league has stood by content with taking their profits while half the franchises have been relegated to little more than cellar dwelling fodder for the few elite teams to beat up on tells you all you need to know. Let's also just cut the bullshit and admit that it isn't helping matters either that many star players are doing all they can to team up with other stars like a bunch of kids in a schoolyard trying to overpower a team of misfits in a game of dodgeball.

[davos]

4 hours ago, TheRed said:

I hate to say it. But honestly I don't think it matters if we blow it up or not. Not much is actually going to change. Not until the NBA does something about the comical lack of parity and talent across the league. The fact that the league has stood by content with taking their profits while half the franchises have been relegated to little more than cellar dwelling fodder for the few elite teams to beat up on tells you all you need to know. Let's also just cut the bullshit and admit that it isn't helping matters either that many star players are doing all they can to team up with other stars like a bunch of kids in a schoolyard trying to overpower a team of misfits in a game of dodgeball.

Agree to an extent.  That's what happens when it's a league run by the players.  There are a few things the commish and owners can do to adjust the team building talent pool, but at least that overall talent pool is getting better IMO.  

The last few rookie classes have been strong and we've got enough top talent that the "power team" concept is expanding.  The unfortunate thing is: the cellar dwellers are still there but it doesn't mean you can't turn a team around.  All it takes is one guy and in the East, the Cavs look quite human this season.  

West: Warriors, Rockets, Spurs, Timberwolves 

-The Warriors are still a step ahead but I think they're more beatable than last season if they have to face a team like the Spurs or Rockets come playoff time.    

-OKC gave it a shot but don't look up to snuff and a like a team that's meshing.  The Blazers, Nuggets, and Jazz are 3 teams I think are 1-2 guys away from competing. 

East: Celtics, Raptors, Cavs

-The Wizards can compete IMO against any of them in a series but wouldn't classify them as a contender to play in the Finals

-The Heat are an enigma.  Ellington has been clutch recently and they have a lot of guys that can play both ends of the court.  

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It does suck but at least it's better than the past few years IMO.  The Warriors-Cavs isn't a given for the first time since 2013/14.  

 

[davos]

First step in cleaning house is finding a way to relive ourselves of Batum. 

We will need to bite a bad contract in return and I just don't like any of the potential trade partners.  Kings, Lakers, and Bulls are teams I can seeing trying to move some parts and all three have cap space to bite a bad contract next season and have guys they want to get rid of.  

Come tomorrow, I think dominos may fall league wide in the trade realm, because Mirotic can officially be traded.  I think he moves quick.  Maybe it's with us.

Ideas (That won't happen):

Bulls

Batum/Frank/Draft Pick for Mirotic/Nwaba

This can't be generated in the machine bc of Mirotic's restriction until tomorrow, but it works.

Lakers

Clarkson/Deng (Yuck) for Batum/Graham (I think Graham's played well enough to be seen as an asset): 

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaesqt2q

Kings

Hill for Batum straight up.  Hill is not fitting with SAC and I think Batum could actually work with Hield, Bog, Fox, & Mason as a 3 in their lineup.   

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8s5tu3w

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or....a crazy one: the Hawks are so bad, let's further ensure their tank job:

Batum for Bazemore/Babbitt

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydfxhdnm 

 

 

Hornets wise:

Keep: Lamb, Monk, Bacon, Williams, and Zeller

Block: Kemba, Howard

Find a way to get rid of: Batum, MKG, Frank, MCW

 

[davos]

Just now, theballboy said:

Are you trying to win? I think we all are trying to do the opposite. 

But, I do not see the Lakers trade working. LAL will not take Batum’s contract. They are trying to go after LBJ or PG13. 

I'm actually not.  Trying to get to a soft fall where we still land a sem0fit and let's us truly unload guys.  The problem is that the Batum contract is strapping us no matter the scenario.  From my view we need to maneuver past that before we define our strategy going forward.  

[JakeDel5674]

4 hours ago, bull123 said:

I read the article in Observer from coach about not playing rookies 

found it to be BS

i would trade all but Kemba & Dwight and would abosolutely fire Cho

missing on that kid from Louisville was last straw 

 

 

We wouldn't know we missed on him because we don't play Monk. LOL. 

[Ornias]

8 minutes ago, bull123 said:

Monk should get some of batums minutes

Monk should get all of Batum's minutes. Bacon should be playing more as well. Any excuse for not playing rookies is just an admittance of being a bad coach. 

[peteywheatstraw]

4 hours ago, bull123 said:

Monk should get some of batums minutes

Correction^ Monk should get all  Batums minutes.

[peteywheatstraw]

3 hours ago, Ornias said:

Monk should get all of Batum's minutes. Bacon should be playing more as well. Any excuse for not playing rookies is just an admittance of being a bad coach. 

My bad, should have read your post first.  Lol