Hurney is "the worst GM in the NFL"

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Hurney would have back loaded the hell out of Matt's contract and we would truly be fuged.  He still has time to do that unfortunately.  The man is a lose cannon.

There is zero doubt in my mind.

First, he wouldn't have been able to front load it, as we would be bumping the cap, and then we would be stuck with him for 4 years, minimum...just like all his other contracts.

[Car123]

7 minutes ago, rayzor said:

neither does blowing your cap.

Saints are winning.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Car123 said:

Saints are winning.

They haven't been for a long time.

They're winning this season because they had a phenomenal draft. You know, that thing where Marty does good in round one and then generally blows the rest of it.

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Saints are winning.

This year.  Check out the last 5 and get back to us.

This game is about continued success, not getting to the playoffs in 1 year.  Just too much luck to manage this game like it's the NBA.

 

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Saints are winning.

Because they hit in the draft. Nothing to do with their cap management.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

There is zero doubt in my mind.

First, he wouldn't have been able to front load it, as we would be bumping the cap, and then we would be stuck with him for 4 years, minimum...just like all his other contracts.

Hurney had no choice but to backload contracts because otherwise there never would have been enough cap space. 

We were always right up against it from early on in Hurney's career. But instead of doing anything to fix it (like he easily could have done in the uncapped year) he just kept kicking the problem down the road.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, Smithers said:

Charles johnson, DeAngelo, and Stewart’s  contracts were all around and just after the lockout.  

We were right up against the cap on an annual basis long before that.

[thefuzz]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Hurney had no choice but to backload contracts because otherwise there never would have had enough cap space. 

We were always right up against it from early on in Hurney's career. But instead of doing anything to fix it (like he easily could have done in the uncapped year) he just kept kicking the problem down the road.

I can't tell you (although you probably remember) how many times I use the term "can kicker" on this board back in the day.  

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I can't tell you (although you probably remember) how many times I use the term "can kicker" on this board back in the day.  

I've seen another term used before "kicker" as well.

[top dawg]

I get the Hurney hate.  I do.  But you have to understand that he wasn't  necessarily the author of this family-feeling thing that some people are suggesting was the priority over business. JR was the mastermind behind that. Wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't behind the "ticking time bomb" philosophy as well. 

On a really off note,  I could justify or assail a Josh Gordon signing from a business standpoint. 

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, theballboy said:

We should keep Hurney around for the sole purpose of drafting the 1st round pick. Do not let him do anything else.

To be honest, none of his picks in the 1st, outside of Cam and possibly Gamble, are the risky 1st rounder types.

 

DE, OT, LB, RB etc....back in the day OT's were the bread and butter, they didn't fail like we see them today...and LB's and RB's typically make immediate impacts in the NFL...lot's of times day 1 starters.

We don't see many S's, WR's, CB's TE's etc...the picks that were harder to judge back then.

[Toomers]

23 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Once again, that contract isn't nearly as bad as everyone in the media, and for that matter on this board are spouting about, but don't let facts stand in the way.

This was essentially a 2 year, $30M deal.  That contract was structured so we could cut Matt after 2 years with very little pain...of if you want it in real terms...exactly the opposite of how Hurney normally structures his contracts.

How is a 14.7M cap hit if we cut him after this year categorized as “very little pain”. The TRUTH is we really haven’t begun paying for Kalil yet. His cap hit was only 3.4M this year. And 6.9M in 2018. In 2019, it’s either pay him 12.9M or cut him and eat 14.7M. The pain hasn’t even started. 

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I get the Hurney hate.  I do.  But you have to understand that he wasn't  necessarily the author of this family-feeling thing that some people are suggesting was the priority over business. JR was the mastermind behind that. Wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't behind the "ticking time bomb" philosophy as well. 

Saying that he was a Richardson puppet doesn't really make him any better though.

To be a Yes Man, you have to be willing to be a Yes Man.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, theballboy said:

We should keep Hurney around for the sole purpose of drafting the 1st round pick. Do not let him do anything else.

Even that doesn't justify keeping him around.  You guys give him way too much credit for that.  It's much easier to hit on a decent player when you are contently have a high pick.  It doesn't require much knowledge you do that.  Ask yourself why we were in the position to have a top 10 pick on a regular basis to begin with.