Hurney is "the worst GM in the NFL"

[Mr. Scot]

28 minutes ago, top dawg said:

When I heard about it, I literally said,  "What the f**k?" 

It still baffles the mind. 

He has had time to reflect upon the footsteps toward his demise,  so I can only hope that he learned something. 

Honestly,  the importance of managing the cap is the only thing that I hope Hurney took from Dave Gettleman---not necessarily the way that G-man went about it, but that it was central to the longer term health of the franchise as Getteleman believed. 

Thomas Davis said one of the reasons he's retiring is that the team was only willing to offer him a one-year extension.

[rayzor]

i think this had been going on for years, but we didn't catch on until too late. he was the king of backloading contracts. this wans't a new thing he learned after the lockout, but it sure was one he turned to to make it all fit afterwards.

when other clubs were complaining about guys like rosenhaus being too hard to negotiate with, we said "he's never been a problem for us!" but why would that be?

there were some bad ones in there, but to me charles johnson was the biggest red flag (ok...i'll put that about equal with jake's extension). after one season of 10+ sacks as a starter, they make him the highest paid player in the league at that time? they told him they were going to come in hard after him because atlanta was coming after him as well. i can't blame them for that, but hurney and rivera and a few other coaches on defense flew down to miami to beg him to come back and threw at least $10mil more at him than anyone else was? btw....who was charles johnson's agent then? drew rosenhaus.

why didn't we have any problems dealing with rosenhaus? the above is pretty typical of how we dealt with the shrewdest agent of the era.

[thefuzz]

There aren't enough posters on this board who really pay attention to the cap...small wonder why so many are OK with Hurney coming back.

[App Panther]

The inmates are currently running the asylum until a new owner is found.

[weyco2000]

1 hour ago, ChibCU said:

An aging QB single-handedly torpedoes a playoff game with 18 turnovers and gets signed to a high value contract extension. I was learning algebra at the time and still knew that was a horrible decision.

So you don’t remember Tommy Jones?

[MHS831]

He re-signed the core with about $76m in cap room from a team that went 4-12.  Many believed that he was trying to give big contracts to his draft picks to make them seem more legitimate.   Marty Hurney is a moron.  He traded away a #1 WR when we were on a playoff run and the reason we lost in the playoffs?  WR.   Now, I applauded the trade, but the timing is terrible.

But the worst things this idiot ever did was trading away first rounders to move up in the draft for Otah  and Brown.  That took years to overcome.  And he is reported to have offered a first  rounder to move up to pick #33 with the Rams and take JImmy Clausen.  Heck, when we drafted Clausen (at 48 or something like that) 2 teams that desperately needed QBs at the time--KC and Minnesota--passed on  him--in the second round.  THEY had done their homework.  It is also the same draft that Marty traded up in the third to draft---Armanti Edwards.  Wait, he was not through---he then drafted Eric Norwood--a bust 3-4 OLB and we were a 4-3 team.  I did all this from memory because I was so pissed off about that dumbass's dumbassness, it still haunts me.  And the DeAngelo contract when we had Stew...and the CJ contract when he had only 1 other suitor, Atlanta, a team that was cap strapped.  CJ laughed.  He was never  elite.  

Dumbassness. 

[TN05]

43 minutes ago, rayzor said:

i think this had been going on for years, but we didn't catch on until too late. he was the king of backloading contracts. this wans't a new thing he learned after the lockout, but it sure was one he turned to to make it all fit afterwards.

when other clubs were complaining about guys like rosenhaus being too hard to negotiate with, we said "he's never been a problem for us!" but why would that be?

there were some bad ones in there, but to me charles johnson was the biggest red flag (ok...i'll put that about equal with jake's extension). after one season of 10+ sacks as a starter, they make him the highest paid player in the league at that time? they told him they were going to come in hard after him because atlanta was coming after him as well. i can't blame them for that, but hurney and rivera and a few other coaches on defense flew down to miami to beg him to come back and threw at least $10mil more at him than anyone else was? btw....who was charles johnson's agent then? drew rosenhaus.

The only reason the Johnson deal happened was to keep him from going to Atlanta.

[TN05]

3 minutes ago, Marcogreenbush said:

Being cheap doesn't make you win

Yep. Cheap is the defining trait of the Gettleman era. The same people who were outraged by the Benjamin trade would have sucked Gettleman off for cutting Olsen and Davis, because hogmollies or something. He’ll have a hard time trying to rebuild a bad Giants core without paying anyone.

[top dawg]

39 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

There aren't enough posters on this board who really pay attention to the cap...small wonder why so many are OK with Hurney coming back.

I don't think there's anyone who would have chosen to bring Hurney back on this forum.  All I am saying is that now that he's here we should hope that the man has learned a thing or two (or three,  or four,  etc.). Most people may just be stupid,  I get it,  but there are a few that still have and appreciate a capacity for learning.  Hurney is in an extremely unique position. He's had time to observe,  commiserate,  pontificate,  and simply reflect.  Now is his time to mix all that knowledge in a pot and improve upon earlier efforts.  A person doesn't get that opportunity as a GM in the NFL with the same franchise after being fired. I find it intriguing. 

[thefuzz]

Just now, top dawg said:

I don't think there's anyone who would have chosen to bring Hurney back on this forum.  All I am saying is that now that he's here we should hope that the man has learned a thing or two (or three,  or four,  etc.). Most people may just be stupid,  I get it,  but there are a few that still have and a appreciate a capacity for learning.  Hurney is in an extremely unique position. He's had time to observe,  commiserate,  pontificate,  and simply reflect.  Now is his time to mix all that knowledge in a pot and improve upon earlier efforts.  A person doesn't get that opportunity as a GM in the NFL with the same franchise after being fired. I find it intriguing. 

He got worse as his time went on here.  What makes you think that he can get better when he's been sitting in a radio booth for the past 5 years?

I mean, maybe he can get better, but I saw very little growth during his decade long run here.

[mc52beast]

Will be interesting to see what he does this off-season, knowing new ownership will more than likely axe him. Could very well screw this team on his way out.

[Kevin Greene]

3 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

My God that was horrible.

JR did not write that contract. 

We have to remember why Delhomme got that contract. it is because Hurney was desperate for enough cap space to even sign our draft picks. The restructure wasn't merit based, it was a reaction to Hurney's incompetence and zero cap dollars available. Don't even get me started how the Pepper's Franchise tag debacle ruined 2 straight seasons due to Hurney's gross incompetence.

[Mr. Scot]

15 minutes ago, TN05 said:

Yep. Cheap is the defining trait of the Gettleman era. The same people who were outraged by the Benjamin trade would have sucked Gettleman off for cutting Olsen and Davis, because hogmollies or something. He’ll have a hard time trying to rebuild a bad Giants core without paying anyone.

Also defined by more winning than at any other point in franchise history.

But hey, feelings are what really matter, right?

[top dawg]

5 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

He got worse as his time went on here.  What makes you think that he can get better when he's been sitting in a radio booth for the past 5 years?

I mean, maybe he can get better, but I saw very little growth during his decade long run here.

People say he got worse over time, but I don't  necessarily think it's on point.   Although I can't prove it,  I believe that Richardson hampered Hurney the last few years.  But, even still,  Cam and Luke were products of the last couple of years. 

Look,  I am not trying to be a Marty apologist,  just looking to see what he does this next few months before evaluating if he has really learned anything that gives me hope for the future.