Hurney is "the worst GM in the NFL"

[Toomers]

14 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Tomorrow.   Using the same criteria it wasn't very good either.

  Not really possible to use the same criteria. If you give an A to an Evan Mathis, who was useless to the franchise, due to doing well later on, how do you judge players with only 1-5 years in the NFL.  Barnidge is a B? with 18 receptions in 4 seasons with team? 

   Don’t get me wrong. Great effort and agree with most. Just rather stick with their value to Panthers. 

[Doc Holiday]

This scares me with Hurney 

[Paa Langfart]

2 hours ago, HornetsSting said:

I will say the fact we extended Rivera AND hired a new OC but have yet to sign Hurney gives me just a tiny bit of hope we will get someone else

Hurney IS signed -

 

through June

[Paa Langfart]

1 hour ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Captain and Kalil

Captain and Tenille

 

[ChibCU]

2 hours ago, Porn Shop Clerk said:

Yep, they pretty much started with Delhomme.

An aging QB single-handedly torpedoes a playoff game with 18 turnovers and gets signed to a high value contract extension. I was learning algebra at the time and still knew that was a horrible decision.

[Jangler]

I like smooth legs.

[rayzor]

13 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

Captain and Tenille

 

glad i wasn't the only one who went there.

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, Porn Shop Clerk said:

Yep, they pretty much started with Delhomme.

When I heard about it, I literally said,  "What the f**k?" 

It still baffles the mind. 

He has had time to reflect upon the footsteps toward his demise,  so I can only hope that he learned something. 

Honestly,  the importance of managing the cap is the only thing that I hope Hurney took from Dave Gettleman---not necessarily the way that G-man went about it, but that it was central to the longer term health of the franchise as Getteleman believed. 

[Snake]

2 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Except that it started well before the strike.

JR took control well before the strike. JR was a micro manager and some of the best drafts and cap management came when he let go of the controls. With that said Hurney should not be retained simply because there are better options out there. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

27 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  Not really possible to use the same criteria. If you give an A to an Evan Mathis, who was useless to the franchise, due to doing well later on, how do you judge players with only 1-5 years in the NFL.  Barnidge is a B? with 18 receptions in 4 seasons with team? 

   Don’t get me wrong. Great effort and agree with most. Just rather stick with their value to Panthers. 

Mathis, Evan and Barnidge ecelled with other teams.  They were good players we just didn't use them correctly.  Make your own list.  I am ok with that.

[Toomers]

Just now, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Mathis, Evan and Barnidge ecelled with other teams.  They were good players we just didn't use them correctly.  Make your own list.  I am ok with that.

I didn’t mean to knock it. It was great work. Just pointing out you can’t really use same criteria simply because of time frame. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

5 minutes ago, Toomers said:

I didn’t mean to knock it. It was great work. Just pointing out you can’t really use same criteria simply because of time frame. 

You can't blame Hurney for the coaches not utilizing or developing these players correctly.  Other teams saw what our coaches didn't.

[Toomers]

Just now, DaveThePanther2008 said:

You can't blame Hurney for the coaches not utilizing or developing these players correctly.  Other teams saw what our coaches didn't.

   Didn’t Hurney also cut Mathis? 

 I’m just going to be very interested in where the F’s are going to come from on the DG side? Because any player could still become an A or B based on a season in 2020.

[Davidson Deac II]

2 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Hurney claim to fame will be first round picks.  After that he basically sucks. 

These all Hurney's picks from 2002-2012 out of 89 picks 40 were C or above while the other 49 were D's and F's.  There might a couple you could argue up or down a spot.  These are my grades based on how long they stayed with Carolina or excelled elsewhere.

2006 was his best year and sadly 2011after Cam he shyt the bed and was his worst.  He was atrocious in round two and with wide receivers.

This list is copied of the Panthers.com History page.

OVERALL GRADES FOR 89 PICKS FROM 2002 - 2012

A - 18 =  20.2% (9 OF THESE 1ST ROUNDERS)

B - 12 = 13.5%

C - 10 = 11.3%

D - 11 = 12.4%

F - 38 = 42.6%

GRADES IN RELATIVITY TO THE ROUND THEY WERE PICKED. (These are my grades I am sure you will have your own)

2002
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (2)	DE	Julius Peppers	A - OBVIOUS HALL OF FAMER
2 (34)	RB	DeShaun Foster	C - CLAIM TO FAME RUN AGAINST PHILLY IN PLAYOFFS
3 (73)	LB	Will Witherspoon	B - ENDED UP FREE AGENT TO STL RAMS
4 (100)	CB	Dante Wesley	B
5a (137)	QB	Randy Fasani	F
5b (145)	FB	Kyle Johnson	F
6 (174)	TE	Keith Heinrich	F
7a (213)	T	Pete Campion	F
7b (258)	CB	Brad Franklin	F

2003
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (8)	T	Jordan Gross	A - BEST LT CAROLINA EVER HAD
2 (50)	C	Bruce Nelson	F
3a (76)	TE	Mike Seidman	F
3b (82)	CB	Ricky Manning, Jr.	C CLAIM TO FAME 3 INTS AGAINT PHILLY NFCCG
4 (119)	S	Colin Branch	B
5 (145)	DE	Kindal Moorehead	B
7a (226)	WR	Walter Young	F
7b (247)	FB	Casey Moore	F

2004
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (28) *	CB	Chris Gamble	A - ALL TIME INTERCEPTION LEADER FOR PANTHERS
2 (62)	WR	Keary Colbert	F
3 (94)	OL	Travelle Wharton	A PLAYED MULTIPLE POSITIONS FOR MANY YEARS
5 (163)	WR	Drew Carter	F
6 (196)	LB	Sean Tufts	F
7 (232)	TE	Michael Gaines	B HUNG AROUND FORA FEW YEARS

2005
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (14)	S	Thomas Davis	A - ONE OF THE ALL TIME CAROLINA PANTHER GREATS
2 (54)	RB	Eric Shelton	F
3a (79)	OL	Evan Mathis	A SADLY PLAYED FOR ANOTHER TEAM MADE PRO BOWL (SAINTS?)
3b (89)	DT	Atiyyah Ellison	F
4 (121) F	QB	Stefan LeFors	F
5a (149)	LB	Adam Seward	F
5b (169)	OL	Geoff Hangartner	B OUTSTANDING BACKUP AND LATER STARTER FOR PANTHERS
5c (171)	S	Ben Emanuel	F
6a (189)	DE	Jovan Haye	A ANOTHER PLAYER THAT PLAYED WELL FOR ANOTHER TEAM
6b (207)	G	Joe Berger	C

2006
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (27)	RB	DeAngelo Williams	A
2 (58)	CB	Richard Marshall	A
3a (88)	LB	James Anderson	A
3b (89)	T	Rashad Butler	F
4 (121)	S	Nate Salley	D
5 (155)	TE	Jeff King	B
7a (234)	C	Will Montgomery	B
7b (237)	DE	Stanley McClover	F

2007
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (25) *	LB	Jon Beason	A
2a (45)	WR	Dwayne Jarrett	F
2b (59)	C	Ryan Kalil	A CAROLINA'S BEST CENTER
3 (83)	DE	Charles Johnson	A
4 (118)	WR	Ryne Robinson	F
5a (155)	TE	Dante Rosario	D
5b (164)	LB	Tim Shaw	D
7 (226)	S	C.J. Wilson	D

2008
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1a (13)	RB	Jonathan Stewart	A
1b (19)	T	Jeff Otah	C TRADED 2009 1ST FOR HIM
3a (67)	S	Charles Godfrey	C
3b (74)	LB	Dan Connor	C
5 (141)	TE	Gary Barnidge	B PRO BOWLER WITH CLEVELAND
6 (181)	DT	Nick Hayden	C
7 (221)	DE	Hilee Taylor	F
7 (241)	T	Geoff Schwartz	C
7 (250)	G	Mackenzy Bernadeau	D

2009
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
2a (43)	DE	Everette Brown	F TRADED 2010 1ST FOR HIM
2b (59)	CB	Sherrod Martin	C
3 (93)	DT	Corvey Irvin	D
4a (111)	RB	Mike Goodson	D
4b (128)	FB	Tony Fiammetta	C
5 163)	G	Duke Robinson	F

2010
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
2 (48)	QB	Jimmy Clausen	F
3a (78)	WR	Brandon LaFell	B
3b (89)	WR	Armanti Edwards	F
4 (124)	DE	Eric Norwood	D
6a (175)	DE	Greg Hardy	B
6b (198)	WR	David Gettis	F
6c (202)	S	Jordan Pugh	F
6d (204)	QB	Tony Pike	F
7a (223)	CB	R.J. Stanford	F
7b (249)	CB	Robert McClain	B STILL IN LEAGUE

2011
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (1)	QB	Cam Newton	A FUTURE HOFer BEST QB IN CAROLINA HISTORY
3a (65)	DT	Terrell McClain	F
3b (97)	DT	Sione Fua	F
4 (98)	CB	Brandon Hogan	F
5 (132)	WR	Kealoha Pilares	D
6a (166)	LB	Lawrence Wilson	F
6b (203)	G	Zack Williams	F
7b (244)	T	Lee Ziemba	F

2012
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (9)	LB	Luke Kuechly	A - FUTURE HOFer #1 LB IN CAROLINA HISTORY
2 (40)	G	Amini Silatolu	D
4a (103)	DE	Frank Alexander	D
4b (104)	WR	Joe Adams	F
5 (143)	CB	Josh Norman	A - DEVELOPED INTO SHUT DOWN CORNER
6b (207)	P	Brad Nortman	A - GOOD PUNTER FOR JAGS NOW
7 (216)	S	D.J. Campbell	F

 

 

Regarding the grades, we see this threads all the time about Hurney or Gettleman.  Would be interesting to know how they compare against the rest of the league.  I would hazard a guess that the vast majority of draft picks don't spend more than a year or two in the NFL, so I was thinking that neither of our GM's was that bad when viewed objectively and compared to the rest of the league.  Would be nice to see some numbers, but in the past, I haven't been able to find anything.  

Edited to add, I did find this article grading draft picks for the last five years prior to this season.  Not sure about their methodology, but the article aas us ranked second in the league.  Four of the five years were wiht Gettleman, but Hurney had the best year.  Ironically, he had two of the best (luke and norman) and two of the worst (Joe Adams and Silatolu). 

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/04/nfl-draft-performance-grades-best-drafting-teams-picks-classes-2012-2016