Hurney is "the worst GM in the NFL"

[TheSpecialJuan]

I think he's the best 

[DaveThePanther2008]

@Krovvy Well let's here what you think.  You must be an expert since you seem so negative on my post.  

Or do you just troll around pooing posts just for the hell of it?

 

[Definitely Not Trolling]

Hurney is a great GM, and the Earth is Flat. Two facts of life

[Krovvy]

50 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

@Krovvy Well let's here what you think.  You must be an expert since you seem so negative on my post.  

Or do you just troll around pooing posts just for the hell of it?

 

I'm sorry, but your grades are ridiculous.

For example, you give Curtis Samuel, nearly a first round selection, a B for what? He had 15 receptions for 115 yards, horrible production, at the very least mark his grade incomplete from him being injured. Next you have Taylor Moton, a second round pick, that hardly played marked as an A. Daeshon Hall, a player Dave traded up for, and Corn Elder should not be graded, and should be left incomplete at best. Then once more another A for a player, Alex Armah, that had no impact in his first year. And of course a kicker that's not on the team receives an A.

Now onto Hurney's drafts. I won't go into detail rating every grade, but I will make two quick examples in comparison to how Dave was graded.

David Gettis was a sixth round pick, playing in an offense that was easily one of the worst I've ever witnessed, produced 37 receptions for 508 yards, and had 3 touchdowns in his first year. Until his injury he was assumed to be the wide receiver the team had been looking for to play along side Steve Smith, even beating out Brandon LaFell, a third round pick from the same year. He was given a rating of F? There's a reason he was infamous on Panthers boards for breaking out, even after his injury. Though now compare it to Samuel, a B, who barely produced, and was also such a high draft pick.

Does this seem in anyway fair?

Another sixth round pick from the same year, Greg Hardy, was given a B. He may have been a total fug up, but he was well beyond worth the sixth round selection. He was a large reason the Panthers went to the playoffs in 2013. So compare Hardy's B grade to Daeshon Hall -- a third round selection that was traded up for, a player that I cannot even recall seeing the field, who was given a C.

Now, does this not seemed a little biased?

It's just not worth the time arguing if I can easily write two paragraphs on the grades of two picks. I'd rather just poo on the post and move on.

 

[DaveThePanther2008]

16 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

I'm sorry, but your grades are ridiculous. For example you give Curtis Samuel, nearly a first round selection, a B for what? He had 15 receptions for 115 yards, horrible production, at the very least mark his grade incomplete from him being injured. Next you have Taylor Moton, a second round pick, that hardly played marked as an A. Daeshon Hall, a player Dave traded up for, and Corn Elder should not be graded, and should be left incomplete at best. Then once more another A for a player, Alex Armah, that had no impact in his first year. And of course a kicker that's not on the team receives an A.

Now onto Hurney's drafts. I won't go into detail rating every grade, but I will make two quick examples in comparison to how Dave was graded.

David Gettis was a 6th round pick, playing in an offense that was easily one of the worst I've ever witnessed, produced 37 receptions for 508 yards, and had 3 touchdowns. Until his injury he was assumed to be the wide receiver the team had been looking for to play along side Steve Smith, even beating out Brandon LaFell, a third round pick from the same year. He was given a rating of F? There's a reason he was infamous on Panthers boards for breaking out, even after his injury. Though now compare it to Samuel, a B, who barely produced, and was also such a high draft pick. Does this seem in anyway fair?

Another sixth round pick from the same year, Greg Hardy, was given a B. He may have been a total fug up, but he was well beyond worth the 6th round selection. He was a large reason the Panthers went to the playoffs in 2013. So compare Hardy's B grade to Daeshon Hall, a player that I cannot even recall seeing the field, who was given a C. Now does this not seemed a little biased?

It's just not worth the time arguing if I can easily write two paragraphs on the grades of two picks. I'd rather just poo on the post and move on.

 

Reading is fundamental.  First thing I said these are MY grades and most others seem to agree.   I also said Gettleman's picks were much harder because some were on IR.   As far a Samuel.  When he finally made the field he was making an impact.  We could still be playing if he was available.  B is a fair grade for a player that was showing promise.   Moton is a beast and when he played he performed well.   Hall and Elder have promise wish is why the received "C".  Incomplete wasn't part of my criteria.   Armah was a late round pick and most of us believe that he is going to be a stud.  When he played he performed well.   You get a player that low in the draft he's an A.   Our kicker, right or wrong we chose to PS and eventally stolen was on his way to a stellar season before his injury. Because we gave up on him doesn't mean the pick was bad.

David Gettis was full of promise and if you were really around back than.  All the promise in the world never panned out.   You could say the same about Colbert but promise doesn't equal grade.    I wanted to give Hardy an A but his decision screwed us pretty good and B was kind of generous.    Hall was given a C basically because he is still on the team.  Giving a D for a first year player in a position that requires experience.  C was fair.

Break out your pen and take some time and do your own.  Please write your two paragraphs, I am sure many would love to hear your comprehsive thoughts.   I don't have an issue with you disagreeing with my grades.  That's what a forum is for but just because you don't agree doesn't mean its poo.  

I reserve my poo's for trolls and blanant haters.   You use yours because you don't agree with a solid and well thought out post.

[Krovvy]

1 minute ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Reading is fundamental.  First thing I said these are MY grades and most others seem to agree.   I also said Gettleman's picks were much harder because some were on IR.   As far a Samuel.  When he finally made the field he was making an impact.  We could still be playing if he was available.  B is a fair grade for a player that was showing promise.   Moton is a beast and when he played he performed well.   Hall and Elder have promise wish is why the received "C".  Incomplete wasn't part of my criteria.   Armah was a late round pick and most of us believe that he is going to be a stud.  When he played he performed well.   You get a player that low in the draft he's an A.   Our kicker was on his way to a stellar season because we gave up on him doesn't me the pick was bad.

David Gettis was full of promise and if you were really around back than.  All the promise in the world never panned out.   You could say the same about Colbert but promise doesn't equal grade.    I wanted to give Hardy and A but his decision screwed us pretty good and B was kind of generous.    Hall was given a C basically because he is still on the team.  Giving a D for a first year player in a position that requires experience.  C was fair.

Break out your pen and take some time and do your own.  Please write your two paragraphs, I am sure many would love to hear your comprehsive thoughts.   I don't have an issue with you disagreeing with my grades.  That's what a forum is for but just because you don't agree doesn't mean its poo.  

I reserve my poo's for trolls and blanant haters.   You use yours because you don't agree with a solid and well thought out post.

Yes, reading is fundamental.

I'm sorry, but your grades are ridiculous.

This is why I have you on ignore for. It's not worth the time reading your posts.

 

 

[DaveThePanther2008]

Just now, Krovvy said:

Yes, reading is fundamental.

This is why I have you on ignore for. It's not worth the time reading your posts.

 

 

Such a big boy... I am so impressed with  your well thought out reply.  

Nothing but a Troll..  

Have a good day

[Definitely Not Trolling]

16 hours ago, rayzor said:

                                                                    
                                 Pass Pass  Pass Pass Pass Pass  Pass
Rk          Date Opp  Result  GS  Cmp  Att  Cmp%  Yds   TD  Int  Rate
1     2007-09-09 STL W 27-13   *   18   27 66.67  199    3    0 125.4
2     2007-09-16 HOU L 21-34   *   27   41 65.85  316    3    1 103.3
3     2007-09-23 ATL W 27-20   *   10   18 55.56  109    2    0 110.6
             3 Games       2-1-0   55   86 63.95  624    8    1 111.8

i don't know, he was looking pretty near flawless, better than he had in a long time.

199 yards, 316 yards, 109 yards.  2-1 record

MVP MVP MVP

HALL OF FAME

#1 Jake "The Goat" Delhomme

#2 Tom Brady

#3 Joe Montana

Best 2 and 1/2 game stretch of any NFL quarterback of all time. Only 1 man has ever accomplished such a feat in a "TWO....AND....ONE....HALF...GAME....STRETCH" their entire career. When we talk about greatness, its all about the "2 1/2 game stretch"

 

[Car123]

How is Kenjon Barner playing well? 300 career rushing yards. No special teams touchdowns. D.

Sanchez and Gaffney should be given F’s and Greg Hardy should be given an A.

Armah didn’t do much this year. B at best.

[DaveThePanther2008]

36 minutes ago, Car123 said:

How is Kenjon Barner playing well? 300 career rushing yards. No special teams touchdowns. D.

Sanchez and Gaffney should be given F’s and Greg Hardy should be given an A.

Armah didn’t do much this year. B at best.

Barner is still playing on tthe Eagles and is a contributor.  He did nothing for us C. is fair.

Did you read the comments for Sanchez  Says he needs to show he belongs.  He is still on our roster so someone thinks he may pan out.

Hardy would have been an A but we lost him for an entire season because of his lack of control.  B is acceptable.  Many would think F.

Armah, when he played, played well.  A might be excessive but I like him so he got the curve.

I see your points but as I said these are my grades.  Feel free to go through the 117 picks since 2002 and give your own marks.   Mine are by no means written in stone.  

The Huddle has changed so much since I joined many moons ago.  Used to be when someone posted a topic and someone didn't agree they wrote their own take on the subject.  Nowadays, snowflakes that don't agree with you just Poo your post without a rebuttal.  So many blanant haters and trolls on here it is pathetic.  Thank god for the posters that do offer intelligent conversation. 

[top dawg]

8 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

BY REQUEST HERE IS GETTLEMAN'S PICKS

2013
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (14)	DT	Star Lotulelei	A  NO PRO BOWLS BUT A KEY TO OUR FRONT 4
2 (44)	DT	Kawann Short	A BIG TIME DT
4 (108)	G	Edmund Kugbila	F NEVER MADE IT TO FIELD
5 (148)	LB	A.J. Klein	A - OStar  LUKE
6 (182)	RB	Kenjon Barner	C PLAYING WELL WITH EAGLES

2014
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (28)	WR	Kelvin Benjamin	C NEVER PRODUCED FOR THE ROUND HE WAS
2 (60)	DE	Kony Ealy	D ONLY ONE GOOD GAME IN SB
3 (92)	G	Trai Turner	A PRO BOWL GUARD
4 (128)	S	Tre Boston	C
5 (148) ^	CB	Bene Benwikere	C
6 (204)	RB	Tyler Gaffney	D STOLEN BY NE NEVER REALLY PANNED OUT

2015
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (25)	LB	Shaq Thompson	B GOOD LB BUT NOT A FULL TIME STARTER
2 (41) ^	WR	Devin Funchess	B
4 (102) *	T	Daryl Williams	A GOOD TACKLE FOR 4TH ROUND
5 (169) %	LB	David Mayo	B SOLID PART TIME PLAYER
5 (174)	RB	Cameron Artis-Payne	C HASN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNIT TO PROVE HIMSELF

2016
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (30)	DT	Vernon Butler	C - NOT MUCH PLAYING TIME FOR A 1ST ROUNDER
2 (62)	CB	James Bradberry	B
3 (77) ^	CB	Daryl Worley	C
5 (141) *	CB	Zack Sanchez	C - NEEDS TO SHOW HE BELONGS
7 (252)	TE	Beau Sandland	F

2017
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (8)	RB	Christian McCaffrey	A
2 (40)	WR	Curtis Samuel	B
2 (64) ^	T	Taylor Moton	A
3 (77) *	DE	Daeshon Hall	C
5 (152)	CB	Corn Elder	C
6 (192)	FB	Alex Armah	A
7 (233) #	K	Harrison Butker	A

 

Gettleman's picks are a bit harder to grade since some have been on IR and are still with the team so the staff see potential.  These could change drastically in the next couple of years.

Hurney did better in Round One but overall Gettleman picks are better. 

These all Gettleman's picks from 2013-2017 out of 28 picks 24 were C or above while the other 4 were D's and F's.  There might a couple you could argue up or down a spot.  Once again these are much harder to grade because unlike Hurney picks most of these guys are still on the team or still in the NFL. I think most will blow up over Benwikere's C but considering he was a 5th rounder Gettleman didn't do to bad with him.  Started out good but really flamed out later on.  I am not sure if he is with any team now.

2017 was his best year and 2016 ws his worst.

This list is copied of the Panthers.com History page.

OVERALL GRADES FOR 28 PICKS FROM 2013-2017

A - 9 =  32.1% (2 OF THESE 1ST ROUNDERS)

B - 5 = 17.8%

C - 10 = 35.7%

D - 2 = 7.2%

F - 2 = 7.2%

Star has been a disappointment, regardless of the space-eater argument. No way he gets an A. B at best!

Barner gets a D at best.  He never earned his job here and is utterly expendable on any team.  I mean,  you give Goodson a D, but Barner a C.  I can't justify that,  and I'd say Goodson was the better player and more integral to this franchise at the time. 

I can't give Ealy anything but an F. He's another that never lived up to his billing notwithstanding having a notable game. 

Benwikere is closer to D territory.  

After seeing Bradberry get repeatedly burned, he gets a straight-up C. Worley is moving toward a D for the same reason. 

Sanchez is an F in my book.  He should have never have been drafted. 

I can't justify giving McCaffrey an A.  The value just wasn't there.  He gets a solid B. 

 

I think that it's an interesting exercise,  but I can't help but look at drafts within a bigger context.  I can't help but think in terms of luxury picks in conjunction with players missed (out) on. Plus, it's kind of difficult to give someone a grade based upon another team's production. Moreover, injuries don't automatically turn a person into an F necessarily.  And lastly,  time brings more clarity. 

 

 

 

[DaveThePanther2008]

7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Star has been a disappointment, regardless of the space-eater argument. No way he gets an A. B at best!

Barner gets a D at best.  He never earned his job here and is utterly expendable on any team.  I mean,  you give Goodson a D, but Barner a C.  I can't justify that,  and I'd say Goodson was the better player and more integral to this franchise at the time. 

I can't give Ealy anything but an F. He's another that never lived up to his billing notwithstanding having a notable game. 

Benwikere is closer to D territory.  

After seeing Bradberry get repeatedly burned, he gets a straight-up C. Worley is moving toward a D for the same reason. 

Sanchez is an F in my book.  He should have never have been drafted. 

I can't justify giving McCaffrey an A.  The value just wasn't there.  He gets a solid B. 

 

I think that it's an interesting exercise,  but I can't help but look at drafts within a bigger context.  I can't help but think in terms of luxury picks in conjunction with players missed (out) on. Plus, it's kind of difficult to give someone a grade based upon another team's production. Moreover, injuries don't automatically turn a person into an F necessarily.  And lastly,  time brings more clarity. 

 

 

 

I said in the very beginning that Gettleman's picks were much harder to gauge because many were on IR and the final judgment will come later. Why I only did Hurney to begin with since the topic was how lousy Hurney was.

All fair opinions with no issues in your argument I still stick by my grades.  

At least you give some valid points and disagree with my opinion.  Can't stand those that don't follow up their disagreement with points of their own.

[top dawg]

3 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I said in the very beginning that Gettleman's picks were much harder to guage because many were on IR and the final judgment will come later. Why I only did Hurney to begin with since the topic was how lousy Hurney was.

All fair opinions with no issues in your argument I still stick by my grades.  

At least you give some valid points and disagree with my opinion.  Can't stand those that don't follow up their disagreement with points of their own.

This next draft is going to be super intriguing for me.  I don't usually put any effort (more than forming an overall general opinion) into another team's draft,  but I'm going to be watching what Gettleman does very closely.  

I think that we're close but incomplete. I think that they're close but incomplete,  despite the records this season.  I could make an argument that they're even closer to the top of the hill than we are,  especially in terms of how Gettleman wants his teams constructed.  It's going to be interesting  to see what Gettleman does and compare it to what he did here.  Is he going to get that LT that he never got here?  Will he pass up on another Garrett Bolles? 

And this doesn't even include looking at FA, trades, and how he'll handle OBJ.  

One thing I know is that he should be as happy as a pig in slop---happier than Hurney. 

[Mr. Scot]

Arguing that David Gettis deserves a higher draft grade might be the funniest thing I've seen in a while.