Hurney is "the worst GM in the NFL"

[JARROD]

23 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

Hurney and Gettleman both made mistakes that probably cost us Super Bowl victories. I think there is a good chance that Hurney learned from his mistakes. He has certainly made at least 2 very good moves since he has been back this time. I am willing to give him a shot (with a short leash).

How did Hurney cause John Kasey to kickoff out of bounds on the last drive and give New England just enough time to kick that last field goal?

Did Gettlemen fail to adjust the offense when Wade Phillips kept blitzing every single down to get to Cam?

they both have good things they did, and both suck things they did, but I don’t see how they “cost us” those Superbowls.

kept us from being more competitive and less up and down from not fielding good talent, and from keeping idiot coaches—

yeh that’s their faults

[L-TownCat]

34 minutes ago, Udogg said:

So since Shula is gone, it's Hurney at the top of the blame chart?  Good to know. 

 

It was Hurney before Shula and unfortunately it’s Hurney after Shula.

Hes like that turd that just won’t release no matter how much you clinch or wiggle.

[Jon Snow]

10 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

It was Hurney before Shula and unfortunately it’s Hurney after Shula.

Hes like that turd that just won’t release no matter how much you clinch or wiggle.

It's a turd that just won't flush.  But point taken.

I second this motion.

[Shocker]

3 hours ago, cookinbrak said:

This is all you need to know. For all the folks who got here with Cam.

And remember John Fox had no idea we were picking Clausen.  I mean how TF can you not know and be the head coach?  Hurney is garbage.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, RLT89 said:

I agree there but still good qbs have been drafted in the later rounds thats all I was trying to say.

A good football player can come from any round actually.  The lucky part is finding one.  But luck will only get you so far...

[panthers55]

8 hours ago, 1989 said:

He’s talked a lot about how he’s learned his lesson. I expect this off-season to be much improved.

Don't expect many folks here to take a wait and see attitude about Hurney 2.0 versus 1.0 before making up their mind. Critics will ignore that he admitted he was too loyal and emotional the first time around. He says he has learned and reports from reporters talking to insiders is that he appears to be taking a more analytic and objective job. Something he learned watching Gettleman. Hopefully he isn't copying the hubris and godfather attitude. 

The consensus is the coaches and front office are always at fault. Even when things work out it was lucky or the players made them look good. I agree I think actually this could be fun if we don't get bogged down with all the distractions.

[Mr. Scot]

34 minutes ago, RLT89 said:

I agree there but still good qbs have been drafted in the later rounds thats all I was trying to say.

 A lot of people use that to say "what excellent drafting to get such talent in a low round".

Bulls--t. They were just following their draft boards and got lucky.

As one GM who drafted a low round stud once said "If I were really a genius, I would have drafted him in the first round."

[Davidson Deac II]

1 hour ago, RLT89 said:

I agree there but still good qbs have been drafted in the later rounds thats all I was trying to say.

If the Vikes and the Patriots make the SB, we would have a SB with the starting qb's being a 6th round pick and undrafted free agent.  Similar to our first SB appearance.  

[Jon Snow]

45 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Don't expect many folks here to take a wait and see attitude about Hurney 2.0 versus 1.0 before making up their mind. Critics will ignore that he admitted he was too loyal and emotional the first time around. He says he has learned and reports from reporters talking to insiders is that he appears to be taking a more analytic and objective job. Something he learned watching Gettleman. Hopefully he isn't copying the hubris and godfather attitude. 

The consensus is the coaches and front office are always at fault. Even when things work out it was lucky or the players made them look good. I agree I think actually this could be fun if we don't get bogged down with all the distractions.

Ones thing is for certain, Jerry's way produced an average team with zero titles.  Let's hope the next guy has a better plan.

[SmartyHurney]

If only Hurney had the benefit of the cap rising so rapidly as Gettleman did. It actually went down a couple of years while he was tasked with resigning some of the franchises biggest players.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

1 hour ago, SmartyHurney said:

If only Hurney had the benefit of the cap rising so rapidly as Gettleman did. It actually went down a couple of years while he was tasked with resigning some of the franchises biggest players.

wow that makes sense considering all 31 other franchises in the league made their teams utterly uncompetitive in that timeframe too.  it's so clear now.

[Semaj]

5 hours ago, Shocker said:

And remember John Fox had no idea we were picking Clausen.  I mean how TF can you not know and be the head coach?  Hurney is garbage.

I actually don't think that Hurney knew he was drafting.  He was on the board.  He's pretty good.  We need a QB.  What a value.   The rest is history.   The truth is that we were desperate for a QB.  It obviously didn't work out but it did lead to us landing Cam in the next draft.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

Can u believe that in the year of our lord 2018 there are still dipshits who think that hurney is a good GM?

[DaveThePanther2008]

15 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Hurney claim to fame will be first round picks.  After that he basically sucks. 

These all Hurney's picks from 2002-2012 out of 89 picks 40 were C or above while the other 49 were D's and F's.  There might a couple you could argue up or down a spot.  These are my grades based on how long they stayed with Carolina or excelled elsewhere.

2006 was his best year and sadly 2011after Cam he shyt the bed and was his worst.  He was atrocious in round two and with wide receivers.

This list is copied of the Panthers.com History page.

OVERALL GRADES FOR 89 PICKS FROM 2002 - 2012

A - 18 =  20.2% (9 OF THESE 1ST ROUNDERS)

B - 12 = 13.5%

C - 10 = 11.3%

D - 11 = 12.4%

F - 38 = 42.6%

GRADES IN RELATIVITY TO THE ROUND THEY WERE PICKED. (These are my grades I am sure you will have your own)

2002
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (2)	DE	Julius Peppers	A - OBVIOUS HALL OF FAMER
2 (34)	RB	DeShaun Foster	C - CLAIM TO FAME RUN AGAINST PHILLY IN PLAYOFFS
3 (73)	LB	Will Witherspoon	B - ENDED UP FREE AGENT TO STL RAMS
4 (100)	CB	Dante Wesley	B
5a (137)	QB	Randy Fasani	F
5b (145)	FB	Kyle Johnson	F
6 (174)	TE	Keith Heinrich	F
7a (213)	T	Pete Campion	F
7b (258)	CB	Brad Franklin	F

2003
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (8)	T	Jordan Gross	A - BEST LT CAROLINA EVER HAD
2 (50)	C	Bruce Nelson	F
3a (76)	TE	Mike Seidman	F
3b (82)	CB	Ricky Manning, Jr.	C CLAIM TO FAME 3 INTS AGAINT PHILLY NFCCG
4 (119)	S	Colin Branch	B
5 (145)	DE	Kindal Moorehead	B
7a (226)	WR	Walter Young	F
7b (247)	FB	Casey Moore	F

2004
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (28) *	CB	Chris Gamble	A - ALL TIME INTERCEPTION LEADER FOR PANTHERS
2 (62)	WR	Keary Colbert	F
3 (94)	OL	Travelle Wharton	A PLAYED MULTIPLE POSITIONS FOR MANY YEARS
5 (163)	WR	Drew Carter	F
6 (196)	LB	Sean Tufts	F
7 (232)	TE	Michael Gaines	B HUNG AROUND FORA FEW YEARS

2005
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (14)	S	Thomas Davis	A - ONE OF THE ALL TIME CAROLINA PANTHER GREATS
2 (54)	RB	Eric Shelton	F
3a (79)	OL	Evan Mathis	A SADLY PLAYED FOR ANOTHER TEAM MADE PRO BOWL (SAINTS?)
3b (89)	DT	Atiyyah Ellison	F
4 (121) F	QB	Stefan LeFors	F
5a (149)	LB	Adam Seward	F
5b (169)	OL	Geoff Hangartner	B OUTSTANDING BACKUP AND LATER STARTER FOR PANTHERS
5c (171)	S	Ben Emanuel	F
6a (189)	DE	Jovan Haye	A ANOTHER PLAYER THAT PLAYED WELL FOR ANOTHER TEAM
6b (207)	G	Joe Berger	C

2006
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (27)	RB	DeAngelo Williams	A
2 (58)	CB	Richard Marshall	A
3a (88)	LB	James Anderson	A
3b (89)	T	Rashad Butler	F
4 (121)	S	Nate Salley	D
5 (155)	TE	Jeff King	B
7a (234)	C	Will Montgomery	B
7b (237)	DE	Stanley McClover	F

2007
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (25) *	LB	Jon Beason	A
2a (45)	WR	Dwayne Jarrett	F
2b (59)	C	Ryan Kalil	A CAROLINA'S BEST CENTER
3 (83)	DE	Charles Johnson	A
4 (118)	WR	Ryne Robinson	F
5a (155)	TE	Dante Rosario	D
5b (164)	LB	Tim Shaw	D
7 (226)	S	C.J. Wilson	D

2008
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1a (13)	RB	Jonathan Stewart	A
1b (19)	T	Jeff Otah	C TRADED 2009 1ST FOR HIM
3a (67)	S	Charles Godfrey	C
3b (74)	LB	Dan Connor	C
5 (141)	TE	Gary Barnidge	B PRO BOWLER WITH CLEVELAND
6 (181)	DT	Nick Hayden	C
7 (221)	DE	Hilee Taylor	F
7 (241)	T	Geoff Schwartz	C
7 (250)	G	Mackenzy Bernadeau	D

2009
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
2a (43)	DE	Everette Brown	F TRADED 2010 1ST FOR HIM
2b (59)	CB	Sherrod Martin	C
3 (93)	DT	Corvey Irvin	D
4a (111)	RB	Mike Goodson	D
4b (128)	FB	Tony Fiammetta	C
5 163)	G	Duke Robinson	F

2010
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
2 (48)	QB	Jimmy Clausen	F
3a (78)	WR	Brandon LaFell	B
3b (89)	WR	Armanti Edwards	F
4 (124)	DE	Eric Norwood	D
6a (175)	DE	Greg Hardy	B
6b (198)	WR	David Gettis	F
6c (202)	S	Jordan Pugh	F
6d (204)	QB	Tony Pike	F
7a (223)	CB	R.J. Stanford	F
7b (249)	CB	Robert McClain	B STILL IN LEAGUE

2011
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (1)	QB	Cam Newton	A FUTURE HOFer BEST QB IN CAROLINA HISTORY
3a (65)	DT	Terrell McClain	F
3b (97)	DT	Sione Fua	F
4 (98)	CB	Brandon Hogan	F
5 (132)	WR	Kealoha Pilares	D
6a (166)	LB	Lawrence Wilson	F
6b (203)	G	Zack Williams	F
7b (244)	T	Lee Ziemba	F

2012
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (9)	LB	Luke Kuechly	A - FUTURE HOFer #1 LB IN CAROLINA HISTORY
2 (40)	G	Amini Silatolu	D
4a (103)	DE	Frank Alexander	D
4b (104)	WR	Joe Adams	F
5 (143)	CB	Josh Norman	A - DEVELOPED INTO SHUT DOWN CORNER
6b (207)	P	Brad Nortman	A - GOOD PUNTER FOR JAGS NOW
7 (216)	S	D.J. Campbell	F

 

 

BY REQUEST HERE IS GETTLEMAN'S PICKS

2013
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (14)	DT	Star Lotulelei	A  NO PRO BOWLS BUT A KEY TO OUR FRONT 4
2 (44)	DT	Kawann Short	A BIG TIME DT
4 (108)	G	Edmund Kugbila	F NEVER MADE IT TO FIELD
5 (148)	LB	A.J. Klein	A - OUTSTANDING BACKUP TO LUKE
6 (182)	RB	Kenjon Barner	C PLAYING WELL WITH EAGLES

2014
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (28)	WR	Kelvin Benjamin	C NEVER PRODUCED FOR THE ROUND HE WAS
2 (60)	DE	Kony Ealy	D ONLY ONE GOOD GAME IN SB
3 (92)	G	Trai Turner	A PRO BOWL GUARD
4 (128)	S	Tre Boston	C
5 (148) ^	CB	Bene Benwikere	C
6 (204)	RB	Tyler Gaffney	D STOLEN BY NE NEVER REALLY PANNED OUT

2015
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (25)	LB	Shaq Thompson	B GOOD LB BUT NOT A FULL TIME STARTER
2 (41) ^	WR	Devin Funchess	B
4 (102) *	T	Daryl Williams	A GOOD TACKLE FOR 4TH ROUND
5 (169) %	LB	David Mayo	B SOLID PART TIME PLAYER
5 (174)	RB	Cameron Artis-Payne	C HASN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNIT TO PROVE HIMSELF

2016
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (30)	DT	Vernon Butler	C - NOT MUCH PLAYING TIME FOR A 1ST ROUNDER
2 (62)	CB	James Bradberry	B
3 (77) ^	CB	Daryl Worley	C
5 (141) *	CB	Zack Sanchez	C - NEEDS TO SHOW HE BELONGS
7 (252)	TE	Beau Sandland	F

2017
ROUND	POS	PLAYER	GRADE
1 (8)	RB	Christian McCaffrey	A
2 (40)	WR	Curtis Samuel	B
2 (64) ^	T	Taylor Moton	A
3 (77) *	DE	Daeshon Hall	C
5 (152)	CB	Corn Elder	C
6 (192)	FB	Alex Armah	A
7 (233) #	K	Harrison Butker	A

 

Gettleman's picks are a bit harder to grade since some have been on IR and are still with the team so the staff see potential.  These could change drastically in the next couple of years.

Hurney did better in Round One but overall Gettleman picks are better. 

These all Gettleman's picks from 2013-2017 out of 28 picks 24 were C or above while the other 4 were D's and F's.  There might a couple you could argue up or down a spot.  Once again these are much harder to grade because unlike Hurney picks most of these guys are still on the team or still in the NFL. I think most will blow up over Benwikere's C but considering he was a 5th rounder Gettleman didn't do to bad with him.  Started out good but really flamed out later on.  I am not sure if he is with any team now.

2017 was his best year and 2016 ws his worst.

This list is copied of the Panthers.com History page.

OVERALL GRADES FOR 28 PICKS FROM 2013-2017

A - 9 =  32.1% (2 OF THESE 1ST ROUNDERS)

B - 5 = 17.8%

C - 10 = 35.7%

D - 2 = 7.2%

F - 2 = 7.2%