No prospect screams "WR1" to me after cursory glance

[TheRed]

16 minutes ago, nickzz said:

it's not like DG ignored the position. he drafted KB, Funchess and Samuel - 3 WRs in the first 2 rounds of the draft. he didn't trade KB.

 

i was down on funchess but the improvement he has show from day 1 to now is pretty unbelievable. i think he can be a 1000 yard 10 TD guy, which is fantastic in our weak passing offense.

 

jury is out on samuel, but when he was healthy the way he moved looked special.  i'm excited about what he can become.

 

i think another WR right around funchess' level would be good enough. i don't think paying a top 10 guy is realistic though.

KB barely finished out his first contract here, and we seemingly begrudgingly picked up his 5th year option. There's no way we can say that we got a good return out of that first rounder.

Funchess was undoubtedly a solid pick. He's still young, and has room for growth, but right now he is a #2. That's just being realistic.

Samuel has potential. But he has to be able to stay on the field to see that potential. Ditto with Byrd. Will they? Hopefully. But I'm done waiting, and hoping receivers will come around. We don't have that luxury with an aging core. It's 2018, we drafted Cam in 2011.

So that leaves us with bottom of the roster PS guys like Bersin and Clay....

I would have to disagree about needing another Funchess. We need a guy with a good combo of speed, dependable hands, and solid route running. Right now none of our WR's consistently fit that bill. Unless we're just content with backing into the playoffs and going one and done, we need to bring in a playmaker.

[top dawg]

56 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Mike Wallace could replace Ginn for cheap..

Maybe sign him and Moncerif.. Give Norv some options. 

Not quite sure that Wallace will be as cheap as Ginn was.  He should be affordable though. 

[nickzz]

14 minutes ago, TheRed said:

KB barely finished out his first contract here, and we seemingly begrudgingly picked up his 5th year option. There's no way we can say that we got a good return out of that first rounder.

Funchess was undoubtedly a solid pick. He's still young, and has room for growth, but right now he is a #2. That's just being realistic.

Samuel has potential. But he has to be able to stay on the field to see that potential. Ditto with Byrd. Will they? Hopefully. But I'm done waiting, and hoping receivers will come around. We don't have that luxury with an aging core. It's 2018, we drafted Cam in 2011.

So that leaves us with bottom of the roster PS guys like Bersin and Clay....

I would have to disagree about needing another Funchess. We need a guy with a good combo of speed, dependable hands, and solid route running. Right now none of our WR's consistently fit that bill. Unless we're just content with backing into the playoffs and going one and done, we need to bring in a playmaker.

i didn't mean another funchess in the literal sense, but another WR of comparable value. someone with a different skill-set entirely but would be considered the same caliber player, if that makes sense.

 

i think we have other needs to fill via FA so i'm not interested in spending the money necessary for a big time guy. we'd have to draft one.

[JARROD]

20 minutes ago, TheRed said:

KB barely finished out his first contract here, and we seemingly begrudgingly picked up his 5th year option. There's no way we can say that we got a good return out of that first rounder.

Funchess was undoubtedly a solid pick. He's still young, and has room for growth, but right now he is a #2. That's just being realistic.

Samuel has potential. But he has to be able to stay on the field to see that potential. Ditto with Byrd. Will they? Hopefully. But I'm done waiting, and hoping receivers will come around. We don't have that luxury with an aging core. It's 2018, we drafted Cam in 2011.

So that leaves us with bottom of the roster PS guys like Bersin and Clay....

I would have to disagree about needing another Funchess. We need a guy with a good combo of speed, dependable hands, and solid route running. Right now none of our WR's consistently fit that bill. Unless we're just content with backing into the playoffs and going one and done, we need to bring in a playmaker.

DG didn’t begrudgingly anything— you either pick up or don’t anything like a 5th year.DG wasn’t a lot of things but one thing for sure— deliberate, not affable.

if he waffles on KB then KB would be gone like Smith, Norman and others.

Dave would not have traded KB, and would have pushed to have them both on the field with Byrd running go routes. Solved.

marty Screwed the pooch and Marty wasted that 1st rounder the second he traded KB for a 3rd.

people are nuts. KB still had room to grow and had he stayed with the panthers all year he probably would have crossed 1000 yards again,.. probably 8-10 touchdowns,... again. 

If Marty traded Cam Newton today, I wonder how many Benedict Arnolds and Judas would show up kicking and flaming him up the second he’s gone.

its amazing how quickly people turn for or against someone.

[Trill OG]

1 hour ago, WOW!! said:

Mike Wallace could replace Ginn for cheap..

Maybe sign him and Moncerif.. Give Norv some options. 

My son starting to come around. Good job, I was getting worried for a minute...

[TheRed]

27 minutes ago, JARROD said:

DG didn’t begrudgingly anything— you either pick up or don’t anything like a 5th year.DG wasn’t a lot of things but one thing for sure— deliberate, not affable.

if he waffles on KB then KB would be gone like Smith, Norman and others.

Dave would not have traded KB, and would have pushed to have them both on the field with Byrd running go routes. Solved.

marty Screwed the pooch and Marty wasted that 1st rounder the second he traded KB for a 3rd.

people are nuts. KB still had room to grow and had he stayed with the panthers all year he probably would have crossed 1000 yards again,.. probably 8-10 touchdowns,... again. 

If Marty traded Cam Newton today, I wonder how many Benedict Arnolds and Judas would show up kicking and flaming him up the second he’s gone.

its amazing how quickly people turn for or against someone.

You're barking up the wrong tree. Remove your emotion from the equation. I defended KB tooth and nail here, honestly more than anyone else. Spare me the anguish. And I really hope you aren't under the impression that I want Hurney as GM. If so you are very misinformed.

All that aside, if you want the harsh truth, we're really no worse off as an offense without KB. There's a reason we were able to reach the Super Bowl with Ted Ginn. We tried the lumbering slow WR thing, it's time for something else.

[Cpt slay a ho]

4 hours ago, JARROD said:

Yeh getting only a 3rd for KB was really stupid-- thanks Marty.  

Its hard to know what the Browns might do with Gordon.  They have a lot of picks, so they can jump up and move around to get just about anyone they want.  

SO they dont have to do anything with Josh.  Ill say this though, if we dont go get him and the Patriots get him for example their 2nd,.......

Oh boy,... I dont need to go there.  If we can get him for a 2nd,.. hes probably better than worrying about Marty hitting on a 2nd rounder--

I could see it,... Marty staring at another Amini,.... calling to him,... we are all like NOOO MARTY(slow cartoon language) DONT DO IT,.. take the tightend or the Corner,... not another Amini,... 

But he does it,.. and the Patriots get Josh Gordon,... or Frisco does,.. or ATLANTA does-- OMG could you imagine?

Realistically anything higher than a late 3rd is too much a risk, I’d go as far as a 4th and that’s it, I’d trade our 3rd and 5th for gordon and Cleveland’s 4th(this year or next) but that it since we don’t have a 4th this year

[outlaw4]

4 hours ago, TheRed said:

Think about this for a moment as a Panthers fan.

It's 2018, Steve Smith has been gone for 5 years, and we have 36 pages dedicated to a discussion about once again desperately searching for a #1 WR.

How in the hell is DG still highly regarded here?

The discussion about finding quality receivers has been going on probably since Mushin Muhammad initially left for Chicago before the 2005 season. We tried finding a complement for Smitty and the best solution ended up being... Muhammad coming back. The fact that the third best receiver for this franchise since the turn of the millennium is a tight end (no offense to Olsen) dampens my expectations that for once, we'll nail a draft pick or free agent signing regardless of who makes the call.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Loved kb but the guy wasn’t a fit for what cam excels at, never understood how the fo watch as cam flourish with guys like smith, ginn, and hell even philly brown. But we we throw patch work wrs with moderate speed and say “here cam make magic”

[Trill OG]

9 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Realistically anything higher than a late 3rd is too much a risk, I’d go as far as a 4th and that’s it, I’d trade our 3rd and 5th for gordon and Cleveland’s 4th(this year or next) but that it since we don’t have a 4th this year

It's ok just let the Patriots grab him for a 2nd. They can afford to throw away picks. Hell even Atlanta would probably trade a 2nd round pick for Gordon.

You do realize Gordon is a freak athlete and has the skills to be the best WR in the NFL?

If you want a guy like that, you must trade something of value. The Browns are not trading Gordon away for a 4th round pick.

[heel31ok]

2 hours ago, WOW!! said:

Mike Wallace could replace Ginn for cheap..

Maybe sign him and Moncerif.. Give Norv some options. 

how cheap?

[ColumbusCounty]

Funchess, Byrd, Samuel, Clay(Returns), Free Agent (Wallace/Pryor/M.Bryant), Draft Pick Round 3 pick 3b (DJ Moore).... Problem Solved. 

Considering Mccaffrey and Olsen get touches....thats a solid lineup under Norv and leaves us with the 3 picks ahead of Moore to address DE, S, and whichever other hole Hurney decides to go after.

[Cpt slay a ho]

4 minutes ago, Trill OG said:

It's ok just let the Patriots grab him for a 2nd. They can afford to throw away picks. Hell even Atlanta would probably trade a 2nd round pick for Gordon.

You do realize Gordon is a freak athlete and has the skills to be the best WR in the NFL?

If you want a guy like that, you must trade something of value. The Browns are not trading Gordon away for a 4th round pick.

I’m not trading a 2nd rounder for a guy on the verge of being suspended for life, that is not worth throwing a 2nd rounder at regardless of how good he is. There’s a reason he hasn’t been traded yet and it’s probably because no team is willing to risk more than a 3rd for him. 

[WOW!!]

12 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

how cheap?

Well He's 32 coming to the end of his career and has a drop problem.. So it can't be much.. Maybe 3 to 3.5 mil..