Vikings vs Carolina - How Norv Turner Helped Tailor Their 31-13 victory

[Jon Snow]

Just now, Snake said:

Lol you got me there. He did have really good plays peppered in there and 2015 was his peak and also his downturn. 

He got lucky there for a while.  Blind squirrel/nut kinda thing.  I really don't think he ever developed an original idea for his playbook.  It was just a bastardized version of Chud's, which was a bastardized version of Norv's.

[Kevin Greene]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Turner runs a Coryell. Shurmur runs a WCO.

West Coast systems are just about always more quarterback friendly.

When would you say is the last time a WCO took home a Lombardi?

[rodeo]

26 minutes ago, Kevin Greene said:

When would you say is the last time a WCO took home a Lombardi?

McCarthy runs a pretty WCO system in Green Bay, I'd say 2010. I can't think of any since then really

[Mr. Scot]

30 minutes ago, Kevin Greene said:

When would you say is the last time a WCO took home a Lombardi?

Broncos when they beat us. Kubiak was a Shanahan disciple.

Ravens, Seahawks and Packers run WCO based systems too.

[Kevin Greene]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Broncos when they beat us. Kubiak was a Shanahan disciple.

Ravens, Seahawks and Packers run WCO based systems too.

Peyton Manning was a broken down carnival clown riding on the coat tails of his defense.

Ravens was Ray Lewis' defense and won despite Trent Dilfer. Harbaugh vs Harbaugh was a good battle.

Packers would be the closest I guess with an MVP level QB.

Seahawks and the Legion of Boom destroying Peyton Manning 43-8 was entertaining.

Aside from the Patriots the Taints were probably the last offensive juggernaut to win a Lombardi when the NFL escorted them to the SB win.

You have to have a Top 5 QB to win without a top level defense. With Norv, Cam and Rivera I think we have a realistic shot at both with some quality offseason moves.

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, Kevin Greene said:

You have to have a Top 5 QB to win without a top level defense. With Norv, Cam and Rivera I think we have a realistic shot at both with some quality offseason moves.

Shula ran something that was somewhere in-between Coryell and E-P with a lot of read-option thrown in, but our roster still looks like it was built mostly around Coryell concepts.

We'll obviously have to make the normal effort to improve the roster, but the good news is I don't think Turner being here requires a major overhaul of any sort.

[Jon Snow]

27 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Shula ran something that was somewhere in-between Coryell and E-P with a lot of read-option thrown in, but our roster still looks like it was built mostly around Coryell concepts.

We'll obviously have to make the normal effort to improve the roster, but the good news is I don't think Turner being here requires a major overhaul of any sort.

I was thinking about this today while everyone was pinning for a wr.  From my estimation (which is worthless) it looks like he has just about everything he needs on offense in place already.  Granted some are rookies and still wet behind the ears.  I'm sure a few can realistically be upgraded.

The O-Line is what I'm not sure about as I'm not sure I remember what type of blocking scheme Norv employ's in his offense.

[SixMileDrive]

1 hour ago, Snake said:

Shula was running some sort of EP system. He couldn't grasp the Air Coryell. Shula was great at play design but absolutely sucked at everything else. I mean it was cruel twist of fate. With that said our WRs shouldn't have a problem with Turners system. It's probably going to be less complicated and more efficient. 

We've run Coryell since the day Rivera stepped foot in Carolina. The idea that we ever ran Erhardt-Perkins is absurd.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I was thinking about this today while everyone was pinning for a wr.  From my estimation (which is worthless) it looks like he has just about everything he needs on offense in place already.  Granted some are rookies and still wet behind the ears.  I'm sure a few can realistically be upgraded.

The O-Line is what I'm not sure about as I'm not sure I remember what type of blocking scheme Norv employee's in his offense.

OL should fit style-wise, though I'm iffy on Silatolu. I think most of the question there will be with her we have the right quality players.

(and whether our center is coming back)

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, SixMileDrive said:

We've run Coryell since the day Rivera stepped foot in Carolina. The idea that we ever ran Erhardt-Perkins is absurd.

Shula did have some E-P in his background. He started throwing some concepts in there a few years ago when we had a couple of linemen go down. And of course there was the read-option stuff.

But yeah, the base attack always remained Coryell.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

OL should fit style-wise, though I'm iffy on Silatolu. I think most of the question there will be with her we have the right quality players.

(and whether our center is coming back)

Ryan may want to come back but he shouldn't.  Can't count him for a full season and his cost is just too much for a sentimental farewell tour.   It's time to move on.  But knowing Ron he just won't be able to cut the cord.

Matt is my biggest concern.  I'm not sure what the solution is there if he doesn't get it together soon.  We're stuck with him next year unless Moton magically turns into the next Jordan Gross. 

Even if they draft a tackle I'm not sure the rookie will even have a realistic shot at unseating Matt anyway.  If you sign or trade for someone else where do you find the money to fill out the rest of the roster?  I can't wait to see how they handle that one.

[SixMileDrive]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Shula did have some E-P in his background. He started throwing some concepts in there a few years ago when we had a couple of linemen go down. And of course there was the read-option stuff.

But yeah, the base attack always remained Coryell.

Sure. Most coaches pull concepts from lots of systems, but as you said, as a base we've always been Air Coryell. The key wrinkle of our offense is that we've merged it with the inverted-vere and read option, which is pretty damn cool imo.

[SixMileDrive]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It's time to move on.  But knowing Ron he just won't be able to cut the cord.

I really question the ability to complete coherent thoughts of anyone who thinks RR is the type of coach that favors veterans. His whole shtick has been hiring "teaching" coaches and making sure that rookies get playing time early. He's stuck to that philosophy and that's why we have players like Norwell as starters.

Maybe we should go back to the Fox days where out UDFAs would regularly go on to be pro-bowlers for other teams. Sounds like a good time to me.

[Saca312]

14 minutes ago, SixMileDrive said:

We've run Coryell since the day Rivera stepped foot in Carolina. The idea that we ever ran Erhardt-Perkins is absurd.

No we definitely ran Erhardt-Perkins a bit. As was stated before, Shula never really understood Coryell terminology and never fully implemented it.

Rather, he utilized an interestingly unique system, incorporating a variety of college meta attacks in as well. He was great in his designs, but never remained consistent in situational playcalling, ultimately being his downfall.

I remember reading a stat saying we were one of the best offenses since Shula’s tenure during the first two drives, but bottom tier for the rest. Shula’s awful at adapting and going off script.

However, one thing most fans hated from Shula were the deep shot ISO routes that take a long time to develop. There’s no doubt there’s going to be a ton of those this year with Norv.