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Has Norv Turner actually been Hired ?

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heel31ok Experienced

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8 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

So the Rooney Rule is a PR thing. If you don't protect minorities from being discriminated against in coordinator positions, how are you supposed to pretend to do the same for Head Coaching positions; considering the fact that coordinator positions are oftentimes if not always the launch point to a head coach job. 

So if you keep minorities out of coordinator positions, they are never going to be qualified candidates when interviewing for a head coaching position against a guy who has experience as a coordinator. 

there doesn't seem to be a problem at the Coordinator level...

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15 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

So the Rooney Rule is a PR thing. If you don't protect minorities from being discriminated against in coordinator positions, how are you supposed to pretend to do the same for Head Coaching positions; considering the fact that coordinator positions are oftentimes if not always the launch point to a head coach job. 

So if you keep minorities out of coordinator positions, they are never going to be qualified candidates when interviewing for a head coaching position against a guy who has experience as a coordinator. 

As far as I know that particular problem has not been an issue.  You'll have to ask the commissioner.

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1 hour ago, ickmule said:

I believe Ron will definitely have to sell him on this. My fear is that the uncertainty of the franchise will keep many coaches and players from coming here.I believe Ron will definitely have to sell him on this. My fear is that the uncertainty of the franchise will keep many coaches and players from coming here.

I think it feels like we're going to be making so many changes 2018 is going to be a season of adjustments and struggling to adapt to new system and players.  Which is right in line with our 0 back to back winning seasons in 23 years , which mean there's an overwhelming probability we finish 8-8 or worse next year. 

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4 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

I think it feels like we're going to be making so many changes 2018 is going to be a season of adjustments and struggling to adapt to new system and players.  Which is right in line with our 0 back to back winning seasons in 23 years , which mean there's an overwhelming probability we finish 8-8 or worse next year. 

This is not a new system.  On the contrary it's an old one, one they are already using.  Well what's left of it anyway.  Norv will get it back to it's basic form given the current roster he has to work with.  He will mostly likely have to get another wr to add to the mix but most of the pieces are in place.  The oline will probably need some adjustment in talent, maybe. 

We will just have to wait and see who goes and who is added to get a clearer picture of how much scheme tweak Norv does.

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5 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

If it isn't a problem then the Rooney Rule isn't needed. There should be plenty of qualified applicants.

I didn't write the rule so you will have to take it up with the league.  The rule was to ensure a minority candidate had the opportunity to interview for a head coaching position.  They didn't see fit to include assistant coaches in that category.  Why? I have no idea.  As far as I know in today's NFL minorities do not have a problem getting jobs as assistant coaches.  I could be wrong in that.  I usually am.

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Regarding the Rooney Rule:

Position coach hiring isn't like head coach hiring. You're not bringing in five different candidates to interview for the position of running back coach. As often as not, there aren't even two candidates.

Generally, a coach just calls somebody he knows and likes from a previous job, gives them a cursory interview ("Ya wanna work here? Sure. Okay") and hires them.

Adding the Rooney Rule to that process would be kind of silly.

Similar process with coordinators. You're more likely to have two or three candidates in some cases but it's also common to just interview one guy. Most head coaches already have somebody in mind when they get the job.

And yeah, if you look around the league, you'll find coordinators and position coaches are fairly diverse anyway.

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15 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Doesn't that kind of sound like coachspeak?

Didn't come off that way at all. Here is the interview. He discusses it in detail at the 10 minute mark.  Ron is pretty open and honest in discussions when compared to other coaches. 

http://www.wfnz.com/articles/news/mac-attack-ron-rivera-calls-norv-turner-speculation-and-cam-refining-mechanics

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