Has Norv Turner actually been Hired ?

[t96]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

Thus why I said that if he doesn't buy in we have a problem.

Yes, and it would have nothing to do with hiring Norv. Tailoring your OC hire to your QB's wants does not fix the problem, it merely creates a much larger problem.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, thomas96 said:

Yes, and it would have nothing to do with hiring Norv. Tailoring your OC hire to your QB's wants does not fix the problem, it merely creates a much larger problem.

I'm not sure I made myself clear here. They will not be tailoring the offense to Newton.  Newton will have to adjust to Norv's style.  If he doesn't you will see a repeat of Minny.  Norv is too old to play that game and he sure as hell doesn't need the job.

[CRA]

26 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I agree.  But it will be an issue that has to be addressed to an extent.  And like I said, Cam has to buy in or else this is an exercise in futility.

I mean when Cam is "on" he is hitting throws really almost no one else in the league can make over the course of a game.  Except maybe Rodgers.   Wish someone could find a way to find that consistency.  Rodgers has that.  Cam is like 2 different QBs.  I mean there are better QBs that simply don't have the arm talent to make some of the ones Cam does when he is on fire. 

[rayzor]

if we do end up hiring norv, i've got a new avy for @beastson

 

[Saca312]

9 minutes ago, Johnny Rockets said:

Ron gave an interview today and was asked about Cam's mechanics and whether Norv (or someone else) would try to change them. He stressed they would refine and sharpen some things but not change. 

Which is good.

imo, cam has weird mechanics but they work. Try to change too much and he’ll be a bottom tier QB trying to transition.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, Saca312 said:

Which is good.

imo, cam has weird mechanics but they work. Try to change too much and he’ll be a bottom tier QB trying to transition.

I think you are selling Cam a little short here.  He hasn't had a coach he can believe in to help him until now.  If he listens and trusts Norv he can truly step up his game.

[uncfan888]

6 minutes ago, rayzor said:

if we do end up hiring norv, i've got a new avy for @beastson

 

Norv looking like Chris Farley 

[Teach_Panther]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

I agree completely, if this were normal circumstances.  This is uncharted territory here because as far as I know I have never seen a situation like this in the NFL. 

We are experiencing as close to a complete turnover as you can get from the owner on down to the coaches.  The head coach is auditioning for his job, the GM is a lost cause and the owner has be exiled.

Now mix in what appears to be a situation where everyone is afraid to upset the QB and you have a recipe for disaster.  It would behove them to get rid QB to get on board or they will just be pissing in the wind.  I know if I were at Norv's age I wouldn't want to have to battle with my QB every week just to get him to follow my instructions.  Would you?

 

Cam is only 28, just two years younger than Garopopolo, and has already won an MVP and taken an almost no-win team from when he was drafted to the SB in a few years. Matt Ryan, Mathew Stafford, Andrew Luck, etc are all older or the same age. This is big deal for the entire league.  This hire could change the trajectory of the NFL depending on what happens.

[FugAllY'all]

8 minutes ago, Johnny Rockets said:

Ron gave an interview today and was asked about Cam's mechanics and whether Norv (or someone else) would try to change them. He stressed they would refine and sharpen some things but not change. 

Every quarterback or really any elite athlete in general needs coaching to keep them from getting lazy with the finer details of their craft. There's a video I watched a while back showing how Bill Walsh had to constantly be on Joe Montana's ass about the precision of his drops. Joe Montana! The first name off people's lips when they think of the greatest technicians at the QB position. If you ever wonder about why someone in an individual sport like Roger Federer or Michael Phelps even needs a coach, that's why. This is the thing I like the most about the Norv hire, he's actually had experience with keeping elite guys like Philip Rivers and Troy Aikman on top of their game. If Cam is willing to accept his coaching, it could be a huge benefit to his career and the team in general.

[ladypanther]

1 hour ago, luke nukem said:

I think we should know if he is our guy by this time tomorrow.

lol...why tomorrow and not today??

[Mr. Scot]

27 minutes ago, Johnny Rockets said:

Ron gave an interview today and was asked about Cam's mechanics and whether Norv (or someone else) would try to change them. He stressed they would refine and sharpen some things but not change. 

Doesn't that kind of sound like coachspeak?

[ickmule]

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

I think it's more like he's doing the interviews.  Ron is going to have to sell him on taking the job I'm certain.

It will all come down to getting Newton to buy in however.  If Cam at with it then we have a problem.

I believe Ron will definitely have to sell him on this. My fear is that the uncertainty of the franchise will keep many coaches and players from coming here.I believe Ron will definitely have to sell him on this. My fear is that the uncertainty of the franchise will keep many coaches and players from coming here.

[rayzor]

Just now, Saca312 said:

Which is good.

imo, cam has weird mechanics but they work. Try to change too much and he’ll be a bottom tier QB trying to transition.

that was the mistake that was made with jake.

it's so funny hearing the talk about cam's mechanics being bad when jake had a lot of the same issues...well, not entirely the same, but he had quirks that would drive QB purists nuts. after the zona playoff meltdown, they fired his QB coach (mccoy) and replaced him with rip scherer who worked on his mechanics and fundamentals. it was a mess and it got in jake's head and made him think about things he used to do naturally. lot's of people blamed his downfall on tommy johns, but i think it was them getting into his head. iirc, they told him mid season to go back to the way he used to throw, but it was all over form him. he couldn't shake it off.

jake could make any throw he needed to win games. it wasn't pretty, it wasn't something that you could call clinical, but it got the job done pretty well over his time here. he was a sloppy gunslinger, like many who went on before. he was a natural.

cam's more or less cut from the same cloth. cam is a mobile gunslinger. he's a natural. it ain't pretty and, just like jake and most other gunslingers, it can cause some elevated heart rates, but it sure is fun to watch.

point is, you try to tinker with someone who gets the job done naturally and has found their own way to do it and you might make them better, but you also might be their downfall. more often than not, the latter is the case.

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, ickmule said:

I believe Ron will definitely have to sell him on this. My fear is that the uncertainty of the franchise will keep many coaches and players from coming here.I believe Ron will definitely have to sell him on this. My fear is that the uncertainty of the franchise will keep many coaches and players from coming here.

Ron has been to the postseason 4 of the last 5 years with a Super Bowl appearance.  He was just extended to 2020.  Yeah, no owners cause some uncertainty. 

as far as job security in the NFL.....any coordinator should feel the same type job security here as almost anywhere else.   I mean Ron is still in a good position.  I mean even if the new owner wanted nothing to do with him Ron simply has built in time.