Receivers need to be #1 priority.

[Peppers90 NC]

17 minutes ago, Cartel de Carolina said:

The lines are much much more important than a WR. 

Not to mention the OC. 

Well look at the Patriots, they dont have much resources into either one of their lines. But they tend to be the exception to the rules.

[*FreeFua*]

6 minutes ago, EightyNine said:

Lets see what the Patriots do when Cooks becomes a FA.  They've had plenty of success without him or other big name WR's.  Edelman is pretty good, but i dont think the Patriots will ever make him a top priority.  What would Amendola be on another roster? Look what we did in 2015.  These things prove my point.  When your QB is protected and playing at a high level and making good decisions, it makes your receivers look much better.  I'm not saying we should throw trash out there.  But it shouldn't be a top priority.  If we pass on a good DE or OL because we are making WR our top priority, i dont think that would be smart.   Especially when you think about Peppers' age, the potential for Norwell to leave, R Kalil getting close to the end, and the inconsistency of M Kalil.

People are going to use the Patriots as a measuring stick because they are the gold standard.  If you think the only reason they are good is because they have a great QB and coach, then you don't have to look at them as a good example.  I don't believe that is the case.

 

2 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Well look at the Patriots, they dont have much resources into either one of their lines. But they tend to be the exception to the rules.

 

[mbarbour1987]

19 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

You must be watching a different game. The defense has killed us all three times we played them. We gave up 31 points all three times we played the Saints. In their other 13 games they scored 30 points or more in 3 of them. Both Tampa and Atlanta's defense played better than ours against the Saints. Our defense was awful the last half of the season once they figured Wilks out.

I’m not saying they were the best defense in the world, but our defense did enough to give our offense a chance to win. Our offense fell just short late, but they really didn’t do much early. (In terms of TDs) If we could get in the end zone, which we had plenty of opportunities to do, we could have won that game by a score or two.

We drive down the field three times at the beginning of a game, eat up the clock, but come away with 6 points. Then expect the defense to give up nothing. Our defense is good enough to win big games. Our offense isn’t. We need TDs. 

[panthers55]

25 minutes ago, mbarbour1987 said:

I’m not saying they were the best defense in the world, but our defense did enough to give our offense a chance to win. Our offense fell just short late, but they really didn’t do much early. (In terms of TDs) If we could get in the end zone, which we had plenty of opportunities to do, we could have won that game by a score or two.

We drive down the field three times at the beginning of a game, eat up the clock, but come away with 6 points. Then expect the defense to give up nothing. Our defense is good enough to win big games. Our offense isn’t. We need TDs. 

It was the other way around. The offense won the time the possession, limited the time Brees was on the field and 3 of New Orlean's scores were 70 yards or more. The defense was terrible not once but 3 times against New Orleans. Our defense was ranked 31st in the second half of the season. We gave up more big plays of 20 or more yards this season than any other  defense in the league. 

If you have to score more than 31 points to win a game most offenses are in trouble. Truth is the only thing the defense did well was make a key stop at the end to give Cam a chance to come back. 

[EightyNine]

29 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Well look at the Patriots, they dont have much resources into either one of their lines. But they tend to be the exception to the rules.

This can't be true.  Maybe this year, but not overall.  It's not hard to look around the league and see that flashy players on offense don't get you sustained success.  That's what this topic is all about..how high of a priority should getting new WRs be. 

The Saints throw for 500,000 yards a year without spending big money on receivers... And yet, it wasn't until they started running the ball more and playing better defense that they were able to get back to the playoffs..

Is our QB not good enough to make his receivers better?  I think he is.  Lets make sure he stays protected for the rest of his career, and give him a top level defense.  That should be our priority because that's what will keep us competing for a Super Bowl every year.

[Mr. Scot]

The Patriots have one of the best OL coaches in the league.

[JARROD]

11 minutes ago, EightyNine said:

This can't be true.  Maybe this year, but not overall.  It's not hard to look around the league and see that flashy players on offense don't get you sustained success.  That's what this topic is all about..how high of a priority should getting new WRs be. 

The Saints throw for 500,000 yards a year without spending big money on receivers... And yet, it wasn't until they started running the ball more and playing better defense that they were able to get back to the playoffs..

Is our QB not good enough to make his receivers better?  I think he is.  Lets make sure he stays protected for the rest of his career, and give him a top level defense.  That should be our priority because that's what will keep us competing for a Super Bowl every year.

You don’t necessarily have to have receivers or most players for that matter that are overwhelming on talent— they have to be smart and void of mistakes.

thats what belichek seems to prefer. 

They get open and they catch, they get on Brady’s page.

like Thielen in Minni— no one sniffed him, but once they found he was smart, gets open and catches everything then he now is their Edelman.

We haven’t had those for Cam as receivers— cotchery? But he was old. Steve Smith? Got self entitled and dropped balls at the end too. Bersin— Bersin is a do it all as hard as he can, and makes the catches— value player.

Brady has had those a lot— good smart football players. 

So he throws for a lot of yards, and yes when they’ve had a running game they got deep or Super Bowl. 

Their passing game is always respected first though.

[Peppers90 NC]

16 minutes ago, EightyNine said:

This can't be true.  Maybe this year, but not overall.  It's not hard to look around the league and see that flashy players on offense don't get you sustained success.  That's what this topic is all about..how high of a priority should getting new WRs be. 

The Saints throw for 500,000 yards a year without spending big money on receivers... And yet, it wasn't until they started running the ball more and playing better defense that they were able to get back to the playoffs..

Is our QB not good enough to make his receivers better?  I think he is.  Lets make sure he stays protected for the rest of his career, and give him a top level defense.  That should be our priority because that's what will keep us competing for a Super Bowl every year.

I quoted someone who was using the Patriots as an example of success, while they also suggested that investing in the trenches is the way to go. I agree with the latter, but other than Solder, their LT, they didnt invest much resources $$ wise into either one of their lines. And also ended my statement with the Patriots are the exception to the rule.

As far as Cam and the receivers comment, I dont believe he generally does make them better but after that last game, he absolutely has the ability to.

[mbarbour1987]

58 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

It was the other way around. The offense won the time the possession, limited the time Brees was on the field and 3 of New Orlean's scores were 70 yards or more. The defense was terrible not once but 3 times against New Orleans. Our defense was ranked 31st in the second half of the season. We gave up more big plays of 20 or more yards this season than any other  defense in the league. 

If you have to score more than 31 points to win a game most offenses are in trouble. Truth is the only thing the defense did well was make a key stop at the end to give Cam a chance to come back. 

I think it is safe to say they both need work, but time of possession doesnt mean a whole lot if you don’t put points (TD) on the board. We were in scoring range like 5 times in the first three quarters. We came away with 4 FGs and a missed FG. 

If you only score 12 points against the 2017 Saints AT NEW ORLEANS after three quarters most teams are gonna be in trouble. 

The defense forced two three and outs early, and we didn’t do anything with that. Sure, we had a long drive which ended in ZERO points. 

Defense needs some work, but the offense needed to score and was in position often and didn’t. If you score two FGs and take a whole quarter up, all that is cancelled out by one TD. We ask too much of them already. We NEED TO SCORE TDs. 

[ncsfinest21]

I think RB is the main need. Jonathan Stewart isnt doing to much and CMC isnt a full time RB. We need to get rid of CAP and Fozzy if they arent panning out and get a true RB1. WR is a need but I think we can address that with 1 good FA signing. Take in account Samuel and Bryd have been out close to the whole year along with Olsen. We really havent seen these two get adequate enough time on field to write them off. Bryd showed promise. We get a solidied WR2 that can get separation we will be good at WR. SS is the next concern Coleman is smart but not fast and him and Adams are up there in age. We need a ball hawk back here.

[Teach_Panther]

Keep Olsen, CMC, Samuel, and Funchess. Draft or sign a true #1 that can line up in the slot or on the edge on any down. Funchess is not a legit number one. He is a good receiver, but he was drafted as a development player and honestly he has turned out a better pick than I expected.  Maybe bring Byrd back, which I think they should depending on how FA moves.

[Trill OG]

7 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Receivers need to be the #1 priority this offseason. 

Guys that can actually get open and catch the ball, novel concept I know.

We cannot rely on Byrd. His small frame has always been a concern, and the fact he could not stay on the field in his first real season does nothing to lessen the concern there.

Samuel doesn't look like a true receiver. Could he develop into one? Sure. But it is far from a given, and his injury concerns also make contingency necessary.

As such, this team needs to add 2 new starting caliber receivers. Someone in front of Funchess and someone behind him.

That is where the focus needs to be.

 

Without that, the offense will do nothing yet again. I don't care how much Ron wants to get back into a traditional run game. It won't matter if defenses can sleep on our receivers and come out on top.

Mr. Igo if you don't mind me asking, who would you like for us to target at WR?

[ncsfinest21]

Jarvis Landry we should pick up.

[The Righteous Troll]

No.1 Priority is debatable but it is a stong argument. Funchess was just an insurance policy on what would happen if Kelvin got hurt rather than to be a primary WR option....he has really impressed and is tough as nails but who knows how high his ceiling is? I'm an Ohio State Buckeye fan but Samuel does worry me at this level. Going back to training camp he dealt with migraines, then the hammy issue. and he not only dropped at touchdown pass shades of Ted Ginn but also broke his ankle in the same game...can't be trusted to be there. McCaffery is probably our best WR but not sure this coaching staff will just straight up have him in the slot more than the backfield like it should be. He could be a solid slot imo because I don't think he is a NFL RB at all. Let's be honest Byrd, Bersin, Clay and Shepard are all special teams players who don't need to be in the starting lineup...maybe Byrd can hang around but we'll see

 

Running back is a bigger priority IMO. We chose a "RB" 8th overall but you take out Cam's rushing totals and we rank 31st in rushing....completely unacceptable