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REPORT: Panthers will hire Norv Turner as OC

TheSpecialJuan

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16 minutes ago, Chief Keek said:

Exactly he didn't have a feel for the ebb and flow of the game. His lack of adjustments always reared its ugly head.

Hence the super bowl.  Denver said we did the same things they saw on tape. Denver game planned to stop us.  And when they had us dead to rights Shula couldn’t or didn’t have any adjustments. 

That super bowl shoulda been a gift to us. With a half azz compentant OC we win  that one easy. Wade Phillips probably still gets hard when he thinks of shulas  plays to this day. He  exposed Shula and Ron was either too dumb or in denial too much to notice 

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Norv Turner is an upgrade for sure, but he's only an ingredient for success. Norv, or any other OC on the market right now would struggle with the talent and depth that's currently on this offense. We have glaring gaps on the offensive line, WR, and if we're being honest, RB, because CMC should be a Julian Edelman type, and Stew is on his last leg. We'll need another bull. No OC could succeed if that's the talent you've surrounded your former MVP QB with.

The difference is, once we get it, I'm confident Norv would know what to do with it. Or better yet, I have confidence in his ability to get the talent he needs to shape his offense. For that reason alone this should be encouraging news.

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27 minutes ago, Cuttinedge said:

Hence the super bowl.  Denver said we did the same things they saw on tape. Denver game planned to stop us.  And when they had us dead to rights Shula couldn’t or didn’t have any adjustments. 

That super bowl shoulda been a gift to us. With a half azz compentant OC we win  that one easy. Wade Phillips probably still gets hard when he thinks of shulas  plays to this day. He  exposed Shula and Ron was either too dumb or in denial too much to notice 

wasn’t there another report about how one of the teams we played figured out when we were going to snap the ball every time? i thought it came out last year. idk which team it was specifically. denver or seattle or whoever.

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Stole this post from someone on Reddit.  Pretty good read..

Patriotssonder_lust 154 points 10 hours ago* 

I'll be the devil's advocate here.

In Norv's career, he has demonstrated three things. Firstly, that he'll run his offense stubbornly (and I don't think the play-calling is bad at all--some here are making him out to be Marty Schottenheimer but he isn't in the least--, his issues are with the offense as a whole). Secondly, that his offense is really good with the right personnel. Thirdly, that he is a good coach of quarterbacks because (IMO) his routes develop with really good timing to make sequential reads (which are spaced out a bit more than some offenses, part of why protection is important).

The reason Norv's skills have not been in demand is basically economic. With more talented rushers and fewer talented offensive linemen, deep passing has decreased. Secondly, with basically every team trying to have a passing attack, receivers who are capable of running a complete route tree while still having the physical tools to compete downfield have become very expensive in terms of both draft capital and cap money, so most teams have looked for alternative passing weapons (receiving backs, slot receivers, gadget players, and flex TEs) to supplement usually zero to one "classic" types. Alternatively, teams are settling for less complete WRs and relying more on scheme to get them open, which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't.

The argument against Norv in Carolina is that it isn't clear how Carolina's personnel will hold up to his system. Ideally, they would add talent at WR and on the OL, and perhaps they will. It's also possible Norv has made adjustments to his scheme, but that doesn't seem that likely based upon his history.

The argument for Norv in Carolina is that they have some personnel (Olsen, Funchess) who are good fits for his passing game. Secondly, that Cam's arm and body are good fits for his system (and his mobility and arm strength may compensate some for the OL). Thirdly, that Cam's ability to run play-action out of fake-option sets could be deadly in the system. And finally, that Norv's QB-read-friendly system could make Cam more consistent.

Norv Turner was a lousy head coach. He was a terrific offensive coordinator everywhere he went prior to Minnesota. His offensive system does not impress me as tactically antiquated (in fact, it should be a cover-3 killer, which isn't bad in that division), but merely economically inefficient versus the simpler to supply horizontal passing systems. If Rivera and Turner think they have the ability to get the pieces that they need, it makes sense. Perhaps they're wrong about that, but I will be entirely unsurprised when Cam is much improved in the passing game next year.

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I'm just glad it's not Ron, who I thought yesterday was the likely choice.  It's pretty clear what Cam can and can't do at this point, and what he can't do effectively rules out anyone who would run a quick read, quick trigger, pass-focused offense.  I think the focus is going to be on reducing Cam's role in the run game and giving him better plays and better receiving options in the passing game, all within the context of a run-first offense.  I don't pay much attention to all the talk that "the game has passed Norv by"--football is football, hard work is hard work.  Doesn't seem to have passed Dick LeBeau by.  To me, the success of the offense next year is less about who's calling plays and more about upgrading the WR position and maybe making a tough choice or two to improve the OL.

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It is a good move.  It is a Shula upgrade.  And Cam entered the league having to learn the Norv offense thanks to Chud.   

Also good for CMC.  Norv knows how to get talented RB involved. 

Now all Norv needs is a downfield WR.  Go to work Hurney. 

 

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Just now, FugAllY'all said:

Are we using the "Air Coryell" terminology right now? I know that's what Chud installed his first year here, but did Shula change it up when he took over or just went with the existing system?

Shula ran the Air Crayon system 

 

yes i have run that joke joke into the ground 

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