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The Norv Turner Experience - Cam Newton's Deathbed

Saca312

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Christ our offense is going to legit eat away Cam’s prime by running the ball and not letting his talents loose, running Iso routes with poo protection with no one schemed open.

”Run the damn ball, throw the damn ball to a TE”

Is this the 90s? Last time I checked, offenses have become far more prolific and advanced than that nonsense, and defenses have been just getting even faster, more athletic, and aggressive lately. ‘90s plays don’t work in today’s NFL.

Like it or not, Shula has been creative enough to modernize this offense to at least be competitive. He may have sucked with situational, but his designs were not the problem.

Norv’s designs is beyond horrid and out of date. Nothing from his history indicates he will change. In fact, Zimmer even was quoted for having a little jab saying he finally has an OC who “doesn’t know everything.”

Essentially, Norv is an arrogant cockhead who no doubt will be stubborn in his ways. Those of you trying to convince yourself he’s any good are kidding yourself.

That same MIN roster when Norv was gone exploded their last 5 games and proved the problem was the OC, not the talent.

Stop trying to kid yourself into thinking a guy stuck in the ‘90s will do anything good for this offense. 

Enjoy seeing long developing plays near every drive with no one getting open and Cam having to work miracles to get this offense to function once again.

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4 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

More than just Cam has their careers on the line.  If it fails the bodies will pile high.

If new ownership provides Cam and Rivera with all tools they want/need to succeed i.e their preferred GM, coaches, players etc .... and we still are not getting it done ... it will be the end of Rivera and Cam. 

Key is getting them the playe s and staff they need. If ownership starts meddling... then It’s JR 2.0

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4 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Christ our offense is going to legit eat away Cam’s prime by running the ball and not letting his talents loose, running Iso routes with poo protection with no one schemed open.

”Run the damn ball, throw the damn ball to a TE”

Is this the 90s? Last time I checked, offenses have become far more prolific and advanced than that nonsense, and defenses have been just getting even faster, more athletic, and aggressive lately. ‘90s plays don’t work in today’s NFL.

Like it or not, Shula has been creative enough to modernize this offense to at least be competitive. He may have sucked with situational, but his designs were not the problem.

Norv’s designs is beyond horrid and out of date. Nothing from his history indicates he will change. In fact, Zimmer even was quoted for having a little jab saying he finally has an OC who “doesn’t know everything.”

Essentially, Norv is an arrogant cockhead who no doubt will be stubborn in his ways. Those of you trying to convince yourself he’s any good are kidding yourself.

That same MIN roster when Norv was gone exploded their last 5 games and proved the problem was the OC, not the talent.

Stop trying to kid yourself into thinking a guy stuck in the ‘90s will do anything good for this offense. 

Enjoy seeing long developing plays near every drive with no one getting open and Cam having to work miracles to get this offense to function once again.

What do Patriots do ?

Run the ball

short passes to small shifty WR & HBs

Throw the Ball to TEs

Just need the deep ball back. 

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11 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Even worse, the Coryell system is something that even Shula admitted he never fully grasped. It involves a large and insanely complex set of terminology to even function.

Greg Jennings from the Vikings shares his struggles trying to learn this system.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000345571/article/greg-jennings-norv-turners-offense-tough-to-grasp?campaign=tw-articleshare

Most definitely not something that can be done in just one season if this is the direction we're now headed in.

Nice. Let's quote a struggling WR on the tail end of his career to prove your point. That article was written 3 months after Turner was hired, before they even hit a practice field. 

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I honestly don't understand Ron's obsession with "ball control offense".

Yes, its axiomatic that its always better to have the ball than to NOT have the ball, but if you're just "controlling" the ball and not pushing it across the fugging goal-line, you've accomplished nothing.

Prioritize SCORING.

Prioritize being UNPREDICTABLE.

Prioritize the system to your PLAYERS and not your players to your SYSTEM (i.e. let Cam play no-huddle goddammit).

If controlling the clock can be accomplished with doing the above, then GREAT!  AWESOME!  But controlling the clock should be #4 (or lower) on the damn list.  I've repeated until I've gone blue in the face, you don't win because you have more minutes and seconds on your TOP than the other guy.  If you hold the ball for 39 minutes and your opponent for only 21, but he's scoring TDs every 3 minutes and all you're doing is kicking FGs on 7 minutes drives or going 3-and-out, TOP did jack poo for ya and you're getting blown out of the stadium.

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