The Norv Turner Experience - Cam Newton's Deathbed

[Cpt slay a ho]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Is it really McDaniels? I mean, that Pats offense just keeps on ticking no matter who the OC is.

You’re right kinda hard to suck with tom brady, but kyle shanahan is a recent guy, bottom line most truly good ocs get head coaching gigs or stay put.

[pantherj]

If you're sending a superstar WR deep down field on a long developing play then the payoff is a fuging touchdown. If you're sending hand me down poop receivers a mile down the field the payoff is a sack. Change is coming at the WR position.  Cam not going deep is fuging retarded. Cam not having a deep threat #1 WR is insane. No matter who the next washed up OC is we have to have a star at the WR position.

[raleigh-panther]

Why is it so hard to have a little hope?

Fact is if we want Newton around for more than two years things must change  bring on WRs and younger players.  Coach them up  Get er done

 

[Fox007]

2 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

Why is it so hard to have a little hope?

Fact is if we want Newton around for more than two years things must change  bring on WRs and younger players.  Coach them up  Get er done

 

I'm in and i'm usually bitch mode. I have several small bullet fragments in my spine so I reserve the right to be angry but yea i got you on this one.

[TheSpecialJuan]

nice work

[Jon Snow]

23 minutes ago, LA_Panther said:

All I know is the next couple of years are make-or-break years for Cam’s career 

More than just Cam has their careers on the line.  If it fails the bodies will pile high.

[electro's horse]

another thing about the norv/vikings split was AP

Norv's offense needs a strong PA game for downfield routes to develop.

Peterson was all about this.

Bridgewater hated it because he couldn't see the defenses presnap. Also he wanted to stay in the shotgun because it was closer to what he did in college. 

Norv just retired instead of starting poo. 

[Snake]

Man this is a tough place. Shula just got fired and people are bitching about prospects. 

[lightsout]

OP ignores several things, mainly that Norv lost a lot of pieces from his SD team, hence why that went south as well as how much animosity existed with the Vikings as an organization in his time there. 

Norv Turner is about 3 simple things.

- Run the damn ball
- Get your TE the damn ball
- Chip away underneath and then break the damn D's back on a double move deep

That's what this team is best at. That's the identity that this team has deep down. It's what got us to a Super Bowl a couple of years ago and it's what got us to 3 straight NFC South titles. When we've struggled, one of those three facets was missing in such a way that the other two suffered. If Olsen isn't getting the ball, the run game isn't gonna open up as much because they'll stack the box. If the run game isn't effective, you can't run deep routes, let alone double moves because the pass rush will be more aggressive. If you can't hit the short throws, you don't draw coverage down and therefore open the deep throws more.

Shula did his best to emulate Gus Malzahn (seriously, all the fake jet when we ran actual jet sweep like, twice all year) and Norv Turner in a hybrid of those two systems. While admirable and creative in theory, he did not execute it and worst of all, he simply doesn't understand timing in his playcalls. His lack of a gameplan each week lead to uncertainty on what to call play to play as the game unfolded in front of him and this lead to getting plays in late which lead to delay of game penalties, burning timeouts, or Cam not having time to adjust to the defense pre-snap. Shula can design a mean play, but he doesn't understand when to call that play more often than not.

Norv Turner would come in and instantly get this offense to at the very least take pride in themselves. Mike Shula never seemed like the "do it right or GTFO" type of coach, and that's the sort of mentality you have to have when you have a guy like Cam Newton. He doesn't need laid back, cool coach Shula. He needs somebody to challenge him.

[Tomcatn]

Is all of this truly speculation? If so what a sorry lot. Our ship has sunk before it has left port, smdh

[CarolinaSamurai]

Remember everyone we get a new owner. It's sad if Ron wastes another season of Cam and Luke's Careers. However if next season sucks expect the new owner to cut bait and start over. So we either do well and it's great or we do bad and the problem is removed for us. It's literally win win

[beastson]

There's no doubt in my mind Norv will make Cam a better QB. I have my own doubts of the offense being that good. If Chud is available, we're better off letting him be the QB coach and OC. I understand having Cam Newton can make things better (I dont think his critics and haters realize he can make guys better and coaching look better), but I've witnessed that for a long time. I want coaching to make Cam look better.

However Ron Rivera killed my enthusiasm with his little comments earlier. If we had any good reporters, they'll ask Ron one simple question. What system do you have in place? Seriously what system did Shula run? Zone-read?? Whattt?? I predict Norv and Ron bump heads next season if he's hired. I predict anything short of a SB he might not return for 2019. You play to win the game. If Ron wants to play the clock or protect a lead, please don't waste Norv time. If Norv can't run the offense the way he see fit, don't waste his time. He's in his mid 60s with a successful career. Not only should he not waste Norv time, don't waste the fans of the Carolina Panthers time thinking with the hire of Norv a lot of things will change, when it'll really be the same.

[Mage]

2 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Sound familiar? Get used to this.

The Chargers overcame poor coaching with talent. Having the likes of Phillip Rivers, Vincent Jackson, Malcolm Floyd, Antonio Gates, and a top tier offensive line at their peak allowed this team to flourish.

 

You are overrating the talent of some of those Chargers teams, especially around 2010.  Their offensive line wasn't very good at that point and Floyd was an injury prone wide receiver who would often miss games.  In 2011, he got more production out of Mathews (who we can all agree is no better than Stewart and definitely worse than McCaffrey) than we did out of our non-Cam rushing game this year.  As a matter of fact, I can't remember the last time a back in our offense averaged 4.9 YPC.  This was also behind a far worse offensive line.

In 6 seasons with the Chargers, they ranked in the top 5 in 5 of the 6 seasons.  Not just top 10.  Top 5.  Talent helped, sure, but coaching definitely played a role.  The only year they finished out of the top 5 is because they were dealing with a LOT of injuries and turnover.  Vincent Jackson left.  Ryan Mathews was hurt.  A crap-ton of injuries to the offensive line.

People keep bringing up that Turner's offenses haven't ranked highly since 2011, but I don't think it's all on him. Cleveland is a lost cause (they were still 15th in yards and 18th in points that year; we were 19th in yards this year with far more talent).  In Minnesota, it was a mixture of having QBs who were a total misfit for the scheme (Bridgewater and Bradford) and a terrible offensive line.

Look, I'm not saying I agree with the hire.  I don't.  But I think a lot of people are underrating him as well.  Norv Turner is far better than Mike Shula.  They may be similar schematically, but Turner executes the system far better. 

[JARROD]

Totally,