If new owner wants a new stadium would you be mad if it’s not uptown?

[Panthercougar68]

6 minutes ago, Devil Doc said:

I have an honest legit question. I am not from Charlotte nor live there... However...

What is the Possibility of building Parking a few miles away.... and use a Light rail system to shuttle people to the stadium? That seems a lot cheaper, efficient, and can still keep the stadium in uptown.

 

I worked the PGA championship and this is what they did with buses from other lots around the city. Logistically it’s a pain in the butt and the light rail is still not up to par honestly. I don’t think fans would like having to be on a bus at 11:15 just to be at the gate at 12:30.

[PanthersBigD]

What the fug are they so hung up on parking for?! Most teams can't fill their stadiums as is, and in the event of a Super Bowl, they'd just manage it like they do the PGA tournaments. No need to build full time infrastructure for a once a year/once every ten year event. 

[CardiacCat]

Here is an alternative.......  how about Charleston, SC.  We have a few nice spots that are just perfect for a new stadium (and plenty of parking)

[Panthercougar68]

Just now, CardiacCat said:

Here is an alternative.......  how about Charleston, SC.  We have a few nice spots that are just perfect for a new stadium (and plenty of parking)

Pastels....pastels everywhere....

[Nails]

2 hours ago, bbell21 said:

Usually a deal is made with the NFL prior to the building of a new stadium to have them host the SB.  So I don't think a new stadium would ever be built without the guarantee of hosting a Superbowl. 

Is BOA outdated? To football fans, No! It is a great open air bowl experience. 

However from a business perspective it is close to or already outdated. No profit from parking, no on field suites, and no chance of hosting certain events with an open air venue. (SB, Final 4, College National Championship, Wrestle-mania).  Most money a stadium brings in is from club and suite level, so it will come down to how many suites they can sell, and how much they can make on new club level PSL's. 

You also have to take in account that at the earliest this new stadium will open, then BOA Stadium will be at least 27 years old, at that point it will be about time for a new stadium.  Especially considering during that time period the Raiders, Rams, Chargers, with the possibility of a new Bills and or Redskins stadium opening around the same season our new venue would open.

It will come down to this, do we want to keep the NFL here? As part of the democratic process, and taxpayers we have a say in that.  SD and St. Louis chose to not spend that $, which was their right, it was also the NFL's right to relocate the team to city that was willing to pay for them to be there. 

Before you get upset about leaving an empty BOA behind, as we move outside city for a top notch facility, also think about what your feelings will be when that Stadium is empty, and the team has moved to another state.

At the end of the day, all I want is an owner who wants the Panthers to win a SB as bad was we on the huddle want them to.  If that means my taxes go up, and we have to move into a gorgeous new stadium then I am willing to make that sacrifice.  What about you guys?

Speaking of a business perspective being outdated, how about the thirst for the NFL and American football in general?

As for the recently relocated...

St Louis is a declining, grungy, baseball first city.  San Diego, one may argue, is more of a surfing city, and had a stadium built in the 60s.  Both left for the country’s 2nd largest market (and in San Diego’s case, remained in Southern California).  The threat to leave BOA and the 15+ million fans in the center of two states that love football is a barking chihuahua.

[Panthercougar68]

1 minute ago, Nails said:

Speaking of a business perspective being outdated, how about the thirst for the NFL and American football in general?

As for the recently relocated...

St Louis is a declining, grungy, baseball first city.  San Diego, one may argue, is more of a surfing city, and had a stadium built in the 60s.  Both left for the country’s 2nd largest market (and in San Diego’s case, remained in Southern California).  The threat to leave BOA and the 15+ million fans in the center of two states that love football is a barking chihuahua.

If eternal pessimist Gnatt says there is no threat to move there is no threat.  

[CatTower]

I see no reason to move BOA.  It really is in a great location and is an iconic part of Charlotte.  Uptown is pretty bare from an entertainment perspective as it is now.  Moving the stadium would really suck.

[Panthercougar68]

I would bet Charlotte Center City Partners would not be thrilled with this idea.

[Nails]

16 minutes ago, Nails said:

Speaking of a business perspective being outdated, how about the thirst for the NFL and American football in general?

As for the recently relocated...

St Louis is a declining, grungy, baseball first city.  San Diego, one may argue, is more of a surfing city, and had a stadium built in the 60s.  Both left for the country’s 2nd largest market (and in San Diego’s case, remained in Southern California).  The threat to leave BOA and the 15+ million fans in the center of two states that love football is a barking chihuahua.

One additional point rarely mentioned-the Rams and Chargers in reality only returned to their original homes.

[donttreadonme]

Wait...

So the Hornets left because we wouldn't build them a downtown arena.

And now potential new owners for the Panthers say they won't buy unless we build a stadium outside of downtown?

Rural/suburban stadiums are so 1980s.

Keep BOA the way it is, buy up any surrounding land and build some giant fugin parking decks if you want parking revenue.

 

[MechaZain]

Awful idea. I lived in DC for a couple of years and I've been to the Giants stadium in East Rutherford as well. Both are annoying to get to and there is nothing of note around them.  Do not underestimate the convenience of being able to just walk to bars and restaurants or whatever around games. You think public transportation to and from BOA is bad, how many of you in Charlotte have tried ubering to Carowinds. 

[Jimmy]

To be honest I don't care where they put a new stadium...just don't care, doesn't affect me day to day, if I went to every home game well then it would affect me 8 days out 365. Move it, don't move it, don't give a poo. Just win on Sundays.

[Trev_GFC]

Absolutely, uptown stadia beats out-of-town ones hands-down. I still don't get why a consortium would want to move to an out-of-town job. Surely the parking revenue won't be that significant? 20,000 vehicles at maybe $30 per event? Or is it far more expensive? No doubt they'll have bars and restaurants hoping to capture the crowds, but again to me it's not significant enough for a new $1 billion. I went to Oakland and they have the Warriors arena in the car park, so I wonder if they would look at maybe sharing any new Panthers stadium car park with another venue and increasing the chances of finally building an MLS stadium? Or share like with Atlanta?

In other countries new stadia are built either to improve capacity (no sharing of gate receipts), improve access, or to increase the amount of executive facilities. We're not just talking boxes but an 8-row Club Deck going around the whole ground like you had in the Georgia Dome, Giants stadium etc, and the concourse is a trove of fancy bars, sports bars, Michelin-star restaurants. I went to Arsenal the other day and it's a fantastic experience but would hate to support my team that way. Corporate hospitality stuff. I see little benefit in the stadium being out-of-town - in fact you could have the same at BofA and open it up for non-match day walk-up revenue as it's near Uptown, Deloitte etc.

To me the BofA isn't old. I love how it's still modern-looking as well, particularly the upper concourse and the outside. Far better than the characterless concrete/glass. It was build just as the cookie cutter period ended. Being the NFL it'll be demolished before its 40th birthday, but please rebuild on the current site once it truly starts feeling aged. I want more history to be made in it first.

I know gate receipts are split, but what about executive facilities?

I've gone on a bit as I'm one of those stadia geeks, but also being British we're anti-out-of-town builds. Besides, I don't drive and like to drink. It was no fun waiting for an hour outside NC State's stadium for a cab/uber the other year.

[Trev_GFC]

33 minutes ago, bull123 said:

So what?...I could care less if the super bowl ever came here...especially after reading the demands that the nfl arrogantly puts on the host cities

I just want to win it, let the nfl take their traveling sideshow to Tampa it ATL or New Orleans and let those people deal with it

I'm guessing an obvious short-term windfall for the local economy but soon after it'll feel no different. I can think of stadia which have held Superbowls, Wrestlemanias, sporting events with the eyes of the world watching, but those stadiums are long-gone or cities forgotten. How I would've loved to have visited the Astrodome or Memphis Pyramid.