Hurney on WFNZ

[Camp Fodder]

2 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

Yep, given our cap situation, not having a 4th rounder, holes we currently have we can’t realistically fill them all.

Address the WR position and Cam will be able to mask a lot of the other issues no problem 

 

We have 2 thirds tho

[Chardee MacDennis]

We are going to end up with 5 wide receivers who are good enough to play, and not enough playing time for all of them. And in doing so we will sacrifice at other areas that need improvement and hurt the team long term.

[*FreeFua*]

43 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

You hoping for Calvin Ridley?

I’d really like Ridley. 

He’s by far the best route runner in some time and can do it all including win deep. 

He just checks so many boxes for what we need.

what about you?

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's surprising for 4th and 5th round WRs to never record a single catch. Long-term, sure many mid-rounders don't pan out but they usually do something.

Pilares and Adams were KR/PR's primarily.

Let's take a look at the 2017 Draft to see how the the lower round guys fared this season.

4th Round

#110: Jaguars - Dede Westbrook, 7 GM, 5 GS, 27 Rec, 339 yds, 1 TD

#117: Rams - Josh Reynolds, 16 GM, 1 GS, 11 Rec, 104 yds, 1 TD

#118: Eagles - Mack Hollins, 16 GM, 16 Rec, 226 yds, 1 TD

#128: Bengals - Josh Malone, 11 GM, 7 GS, 6 Rec, 63 yds, 1 TD

#133: Cowboys - Ryan Switzer, no receiving stats. Used as KR/PR

#139: Chiefs - Jehu Chesson, 12 GM, 1 GS, 2 Rec, 18 yds

#141: Jets - Chad Hansen, 15 GM, 1 GS, 9 Rec, 94 yds

5th Round

#166: Eagles - Shelton Gibson, 5 GM, 2 Rec, 11 yds

#170: Vikings - Rodney Adams, 1 GM, no stats

#172: Broncos - Isaiah McKenzie, no receiving stats. Used as KR/PR

#175: Packers - DeAngelo Yancey, no games played.

#177: 49ers - Trent Taylor, 15 GM, 1 GS, 43 Rec, 430 yds, 2 TD

6th Round

#209: Redskins - Robert Davis, 1 GM, no stats

7th Round

#219: Vikings - Stacey Coley, 4 GM, no receiving stats. Used as KR/PR

#226: Seahawks - David Moore, 1 GM, no stats

#237: Dolphins - Isaiah Ford, no games played

#239: Cowboys - Noah Brown, 13 GM, 1 GS, 4 Rec, 33 yds

#247: Packers - Malachi Dupree, no games played.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, *FreeFua* said:

He’s by far the best route runner in some time and can do it all including win deep. 

Seems like this is said about someone leading up to ever draft.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Pilares and Adams were KR/PR's primarily.

Let's take a look at the 2017 Draft to see how the the lower round guys fared this season.

4th Round

#110: Jaguars - Dede Westbrook, 7 GM, 5 GS, 27 Rec, 339 yds, 1 TD

#117: Rams - Josh Reynolds, 16 GM, 1 GS, 11 Rec, 104 yds, 1 TD

#118: Eagles - Mack Hollins, 16 GM, 16 Rec, 226 yds, 1 TD

#128: Bengals - Josh Malone, 11 GM, 7 GS, 6 Rec, 63 yds, 1 TD

#133: Cowboys - Ryan Switzer, no receiving stats. Used as KR/PR

#139: Chiefs - Jehu Chesson, 12 GM, 1 GS, 2 Rec, 18 yds

#141: Jets - Chad Hansen, 15 GM, 1 GS, 9 Rec, 94 yds

5th Round

#166: Eagles - Shelton Gibson, 5 GM, 2 Rec, 11 yds

#170: Vikings - Rodney Adams, 1 GM, no stats

#172: Broncos - Isaiah McKenzie, no receiving stats. Used as KR/PR

#175: Packers - DeAngelo Yancey, no games played.

#177: 49ers - Trent Taylor, 15 GM, 1 GS, 43 Rec, 430 yds, 2 TD

6th Round

#209: Redskins - Robert Davis, 1 GM, no stats

7th Round

#219: Vikings - Stacey Coley, 4 GM, no receiving stats. Used as KR/PR

#226: Seahawks - David Moore, 1 GM, no stats

#237: Dolphins - Isaiah Ford, no games played

#239: Cowboys - Noah Brown, 13 GM, 1 GS, 4 Rec, 33 yds

#247: Packers - Malachi Dupree, no games played.

 

That's for their rookie year. I was posting career stats.

[*FreeFua*]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Seems like this is said about someone leading up to ever draft.

I posted a few clips of Ridley in this thread running some routes if you care to take a look. The kid can move 

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's for their rookie year. I was posting career stats.

I am aware but the point is that those guys often don't produce. I will make the same list from year that Pilares was drafted(2011). Players still active in bold.

 

4th Round

#107: Seahawks - Kris Durham, 27 GM, 16 GS, 55 Rec, 699 yds, 3 TD. Career 2011-2014

#111: Dolphins - Clyde Gates, 32 GM, 4 GS, 30 Rec, 365 yds. Career 2011-2013

#112: Rams - Greg Salas, 29 GM, 3 GS, 50 Rec, 704 yds, 1 TD. Career 2011-2016

#114: Jaguars - Cecil Shorts, 70 GM, 43 GS, 229 Rec, 2979 yds, 14 TD. Career 2011-2016

#123: Ravens - Tandon Doss, 35 GM, 2 GS, 26 Rec, 428 yds, 1 TD. Career 2011-2013

5th Round

#132: Panthers - Kealoha Pilares, 20 GM, no receiving stats. Used as KR/PR. Career 2011-2013

#148: Raiders - Denarius Moore, 56 GM, 37 GS, 142 Rec, 2169 yds, 17 TD. Career 2011-2015

#153: Jets - Jeremy Kerley, 98 GM, 39 GS, 268 Rec, 3109 yds, 13 TD

#155: Redskins - Niles Paul, 82 GM, 26 GS, 68 Rec, 856 yds, 2 TD

6th Round

#167: Bengals - Ryan Whalen, 17 GM, 11 Rec, 80 yds. Career 2011-2013

#176: Cowboys - Dwayne Harris, 88 GM, 11 GS, no receiving stats. Used as KR/PR. 

#178: Redskins - Aldrick Robinson, 70 GM, 5 GS, 69 Rec, 1191 yds, 9 TD

#182: 49ers - Ronald Johnson, no games played.

7th Round

#227: Jets - Scotty McKnight, no games played.

#236: Vikings - Stephen Burton, 19 GM, 3 GS, 15 Red, 149 yds, 1 TD. Career 2011-2013

#241: Raiders - David Ausberry, 34 GM, 11 Rec, 120 yds. Career 2011-2014

#249: Cardinals - DeMarco Sampson, 12 GM, 3 Rec, 36 yds. Career 2011

 

As you can see, not many left or have been terribly productive. Only about 3 had much statistical impact and of those only one is still in the NFL. I am not defending the selections, I just consider it a major win if you get anything at all out of a 4th round or later pick.

[KendrickPanther]

We need fresh blood at defensive end and maybe tackle if Star cant be resigned. Im not sure what you do with Shaq Thompson. Hes a decent linebacker but he's not stepped up to the level our defense needed. TD won't be getting any faster and perhaps a big time safety can help tighten things up back there. 

A young talented Tight End and bruising tailback could help this offense. If your top three WRs are Funches, Byrd, and Samuel. I do think we will be fine at WR. Does drafting another kid really help us now? Maybe if he has legit return skillz. 

[FugAllY'all]

Maybe he can work the same jedi mind trick he used to get Olsen and convince the Steelers to trade us Martavis Bryant for a 3rd rounder.

[Swaggasaurus]

3 hours ago, uncfan888 said:

I'm specifically talking about needing speed at the skill positions. I definitely disagree with him about the line getting consistent pressure

When you have two 11 sack players you did alright

[Trill OG]

Hurney said a WR that compliments Funchess. Is he looking at Funchess as a #1 WR?

[LinvilleGorge]

19 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I am aware but the point is that those guys often don't produce. I will make the same list from year that Pilares was drafted(2011). Players still active in bold.

 

4th Round

#107: Seahawks - Kris Durham, 27 GM, 16 GS, 55 Rec, 699 yds, 3 TD. Career 2011-2014

#111: Dolphins - Clyde Gates, 32 GM, 4 GS, 30 Rec, 365 yds. Career 2011-2013

#112: Rams - Greg Salas, 29 GM, 3 GS, 50 Rec, 704 yds, 1 TD. Career 2011-2016

#114: Jaguars - Cecil Shorts, 70 GM, 43 GS, 229 Rec, 2979 yds, 14 TD. Career 2011-2016

#123: Ravens - Tandon Doss, 35 GM, 2 GS, 26 Rec, 428 yds, 1 TD. Career 2011-2013

5th Round

#132: Panthers - Kealoha Pilares, 20 GM, no receiving stats. Used as KR/PR. Career 2011-2013

#148: Raiders - Denarius Moore, 56 GM, 37 GS, 142 Rec, 2169 yds, 17 TD. Career 2011-2015

#153: Jets - Jeremy Kerley, 98 GM, 39 GS, 268 Rec, 3109 yds, 13 TD

#155: Redskins - Niles Paul, 82 GM, 26 GS, 68 Rec, 856 yds, 2 TD

6th Round

#167: Bengals - Ryan Whalen, 17 GM, 11 Rec, 80 yds. Career 2011-2013

#176: Cowboys - Dwayne Harris, no receiving stats. Used as KR/PR. 

#178: Redskins - Aldrick Robinson, 70 GM, 5 GS, 69 Rec, 1191 yds, 9 TD

#182: 49ers - Ronald Johnson, no games played.

7th Round

#227: Jets - Scotty McKnight, no games played.

#236: Vikings - Stephen Burton, 19 GM, 3 GS, 15 Red, 149 yds, 1 TD. Career 2011-2013

#241: Raiders - David Ausberry, 34 GM, 11 Rec, 120 yds. Career 2011-2014

#249: Cardinals - DeMarco Sampson, 12 GM, 3 Rec, 36 yds. Career 2011

 

As you can see, not many left or have been terribly productive. Only about 3 had much statistical impact and of those only one is still in the NFL. I am not defending the selections, I just consider it a major win if you get anything at all out of a 4th round or later pick.

So Pilares was the only guy that year who was drafted in the 5th round or higher who never recorded an NFL catch 

[kungfoodude]

10 minutes ago, Swaggasaurus said:

When you have two 11 sack players you did alright

We were #3 in sacks in the NFL sooooo......

 

Oh yeah, and 40 of our 50 sacks came from the DL.