Calling it now, expect a player house cleaning

[Woodie]

11 hours ago, rayzor said:

i think we'll see better production out of CMC next year and an offense hopefully designed more around his strengths as a runner. plus i think the game slows down a little for him. i wouldn't be opposed to bringing in another RB to complement CMC, but we need to see CMC carry the ball more. an interesting candidate would be orleans darkwa from NYG. he's not a whole lot bigger than CMC, but i think he'd be the hardnosed grinder we hoped stewart would be more of at this point. he's not a bad receiver, either.

 

I wholeheartedly agree that we will see a much better version of CMC next year.  We have to remember that the staff wasn't sure how to properly use him to start the year, and it has been commented on many times by both the media and analysts that it wasn't until late in the year that they finally figured it out.  So, that implies that in the summer and training camp rather than building the offense to maximize his abilities, they were still figuring it out (which is why Kamara was so successful out of the gate, NO already knew how to use him, they already did it with Reggie Bush). 

So, they went into the season without having a solid idea of what to do with him, and were somewhat using the trial by errors method to try and figure what he can and cannot do.  Not to mention, it clearly took him a good part of the season to adjust to the size, speed, and strength of the NFL.  So, with the staff finally understanding how to use him and CMC having the entire offseason to prepare and get stronger, I think he will be huge for us next year.  But I still want a young power back to compliment him the way Stew isn't able to do anymore.

[JARROD]

Well I disagree about stewart as I’ve done repeatedly but if we are going to save his money and replace him I’m all about some Blount to go with CMac. I’d be ok with Morris also.

ill say this again, if we don’t get 2 free agent receivers to go with Byrd and Samuel so we have a legit passing game, it won’t matter who the back is—- you guys are wrong about stewart. He hits those holes hard,.. I’ve seen too many times where you have teams do to us what we did to the Saints, except they have a better offensive line than we do,.. and younger backs— yet it did  not help them.

[Woodie]

10 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

whew thats a novel but I read it

I agree with all of that I think.  I've been begging them to run CMC more all season long and he didnt even have 1 20+ carry game. In the 3 games he got over 10 carries he collectively averaged over 4 yards per carry .. which is pretty average/normal ypc for a good RB.

Game is already slowing down for him in 2nd half of the season. I think he could hugely benifit from getting 10lbs of solid muscle gain in the offseason and get up to around 215-218 lbs. Will help him shake off and run throw half assed tackles and push the pile at least some . 

Thats an interesting point about Pryor. Id do it. All the big names like Allen Robinson , Sammy Watkins, others are going to get huge paydays and pryors probably going to be like the forgotten man. Getting 1000 yards on a historically bad Cleveland team last year wasnta fluke im willing to bet, although im not exactly sure what happen to him in Washington. 

I like Fumagalli in the draft. I'm not in love with Hayden Hurst, Mark Andrews , or Mike Geseki . There's no clear cut best TE in this draft yet.

Norman? By god if we could get Norman back and get Pryor in free agency thats already gigantic upgrades. Get a saftey and DE high in the draft, we're set!.

 

 

Pretty much agree.  I However, I think some people misunderstand how CMC breaks tackles.  Even in college, he wasn't the biggest or strongest, but he was still able to run through tackle attempts by guys much bigger and stronger than he was.  He didn't do it by powering through them, he did it by slipping them and using his body control, quickness, and lower body strength to make it tough to get a good hold of him. 

I think early in the year, he struggled with that as he was adjusting to the size, speed, strength, and discipline of the NFL.  Things were still obviously going 100 miles an hour, and he was still trying to find where the creases were.  But you could see as the year went on that he started to figure it out.  He'll never be the kind of back that gets the gritty tough yards, that's just not part of his game.  But he will be the kind that can turn a tiny crease into a decent gain and occasional big play.    

[Woodie]

13 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Well I disagree about stewart as I’ve done repeatedly but if we are going to save his money and replace him I’m all about some Blount to go with CMac. I’d be ok with Morris also.

ill say this again, if we don’t get 2 free agent receivers to go with Byrd and Samuel so we have a legit passing game, it won’t matter who the back is—- you guys are wrong about stewart. He hits those holes hard,.. I’ve seen too many times where you have teams do to us what we did to the Saints, except they have a better offensive line than we do,.. and younger backs— yet it did  not help them.

He hits them hard, just not as quickly as before.  Look at almost all of his significant runs, and you'll see big holes that made them possible.  He doesn't run away from anyone or get to the edge anymore.  And if there is a slight crease, the defense usually has time to close it before he gets there, leading to far too many negative runs.  I respect Stew, and am grateful for what he has done here, both on and off the field, but physically, he's done.  His style and age have finally caught up with him.  

[JARROD]

2 hours ago, Woodie said:

He hits them hard, just not as quickly as before.  Look at almost all of his significant runs, and you'll see big holes that made them possible.  He doesn't run away from anyone or get to the edge anymore.  And if there is a slight crease, the defense usually has time to close it before he gets there, leading to far too many negative runs.  I respect Stew, and am grateful for what he has done here, both on and off the field, but physically, he's done.  His style and age have finally caught up with him.  

Umm most big runs are because there was a big hole to run through.

hes run away from people several times even this dismal season.

and I disagree his style and age have caught up with him. 

Mid what you said were true then anyone younger you put back there would have immediately had 5 yard per carry games.

but they didn’t. He did when we played teams that were not solely sold out on stopping the run or didn’t have the ability to.

by your observational wisdom,... Kamara and Ingram should be finished— they were slow getting to their holes, created negative yardage many times.

their styles and age have made them obsolete.

true? 

Your wrong.

[Woodie]

9 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Umm most big runs are because there was a big hole to run through.

hes run away from people several times even this dismal season.

and I disagree his style and age have caught up with him. 

Mid what you said were true then anyone younger you put back there would have immediately had 5 yard per carry games.

but they didn’t. He did when we played teams that were not solely sold out on stopping the run or didn’t have the ability to.

by your observational wisdom,... Kamara and Ingram should be finished— they were slow getting to their holes, created negative yardage many times.

their styles and age have made them obsolete.

true? 

Your wrong.

Don't know why you're so defensive about Stewart, but it's blinding you to the facts.  Yes, big runs tend to be through holes, but Stew needed big holes, there is a difference.  And running away from 350 lb. defensive linemen doesn't really help your case.  I don't think I saw him put distance between himself and one back 7 player the entire year.  Face it, he's lost a few steps.  Be grateful for what he gave, but also be realistic about what he is.

[dcpanther89]

Stew needs to be gone and give CAP more of a chance and draft another back while using mccaffrey in more of the Darren Sproles role 

[RumHam]

On 1/8/2018 at 8:51 AM, Doc Holiday said:

If Larsen hadn’t played so well when he filled in I’d have agreed with you. We save 7mil if we cut him and he’s and old expensive player that missed the majority of the season.

I’d honestly would cut Kalil and offer him the O-line coach job, dude knows his stuff. Extremely smart player, just doesn’t have it physically anymore.

This deserves more than fuging pie, 28-3, psl, the D. 

[JARROD]

2 minutes ago, Woodie said:

Don't know why you're so defensive about Stewart, but it's blinding you to the facts.  Yes, big runs tend to be through holes, but Stew needed big holes, there is a difference.  And running away from 350 lb. defensive linemen doesn't really help your case.  I don't think I saw him put distance between himself and one back 7 player the entire year.  Face it, he's lost a few steps.  Be grateful for what he gave, but also be realistic about what he is.

Yeh we all said that about Deangelo too,...

you're wrong. The team believes so too because everyone offensively is fired.

again, if we part ways with stewart to save money I’m fine with it, but watch him resurface with another team like Deangelo did— and I’ll be sure to tell you,.. wrong.

i just want the Panthers to win, and Cam to be the best he can be, don’t really care who our running back is.

but you are wrong. If we don’t put 2 free agent wide receivers out and roll with what we have with another running back of your choice, what are you going to say when they are 25, and have a 3.4 ypc? Done? Finished?

i want to see the excuses.

[JARROD]

2 minutes ago, dcpanther89 said:

Stew needs to be gone and give CAP more of a chance and draft another back while using mccaffrey in more of the Darren Sproles role 

CAP won’t be on the team, may come to camp, but he won’t make it. Mark me.

[raleigh-panther]

Teams get old quick in the NFL with players over 30

and in all candidness the panthers have too many 'just glad to be here' players and coaches 

one Khalil not with the money  and the other over 30 with neck and disc issues. Move them on

stewart lost too many steps. Cj should have been gone two years ago and sadly my favorite player, TD, it's time 

[Woodie]

19 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Yeh we all said that about Deangelo too,...

you're wrong. The team believes so too because everyone offensively is fired.

again, if we part ways with stewart to save money I’m fine with it, but watch him resurface with another team like Deangelo did— and I’ll be sure to tell you,.. wrong.

i just want the Panthers to win, and Cam to be the best he can be, don’t really care who our running back is.

but you are wrong. If we don’t put 2 free agent wide receivers out and roll with what we have with another running back of your choice, what are you going to say when they are 25, and have a 3.4 ypc? Done? Finished?

i want to see the excuses.

Ok

[shaqattaq]

On 1/8/2018 at 9:21 AM, Mistuh Jones said:

Captain was a huge bust this year too

Yeah, but he's still cheaper to keep than to cut. And besides, Corn is already here to replace him.

[Paa Langfart]

On ‎1‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 8:09 AM, jamos14 said:

We could VERY easily lose Norwell.   It's going to take 30-40 million guaranteed to keep him.

I don't see them letting him loose without franchising him if they can not work out a deal in time for  the upcoming season.  They'd have to be morons to let him walk -  no offense to a past gm and some of his head scratching moves.