The Failure of the Gettleman era in Carolina. Close, but no cigar. [Don't want to read a mini rant, don't open!]

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I have a weakness for arguing with silly statements.

Sometime when you have a moment, take a look back and count how many Gettleman threads you've started. 

After that, rent Frozen and listen to the main theme song, repeatedly.

Funny,  a lot of my threads and posts about Gettleman were in support of him. There are tens of remarks by me in support of G-man, and plenty down-the-middle. With you,  it's all sunshine and rainbows (candles and photos in your makeshift shrine).

[raleigh-panther]

13 hours ago, PntherPryd said:

Loomis and the saints had the best draft in NFL history to shore up a porous defense and give a SB champion qb and veteran offense some more weapons.  So yes, Gettleman lost to Loomis.  And he is gone.  So what is the point?  Why can't this team move on?  

This division will be even stronger next year.  Going to be some great games.

 

I see the Panthers window closing, particularly drafting at 24.   Specially That defensive backfield is atrocious and need dline and LBs

add to it  the offenses issues, unless home runs are hit in FAvand draft, years to get back to the big game

Our last year draft picks (Hall and Moton) are non factors while Saints and Falcons are starters or spot players

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

Funny,  a lot of my threads and posts about Gettleman were in support of him. There are tens of remarks by me in support of G-man, and plenty down-the-middle. With you,  it's all sunshine and rainbows (candles and photos in your makeshift shrine).

Not really.

Gettleman made plenty of mistakes, but every GM does. His biggest one is one that rarely gets talked about on here, though.

He came in saying he didn't want to be that guy who fired everybody. He absolutely should have evaluated staff and made changes. That lesson apparently hit home given what we're seeing now in New York.

As I've mentioned here before, it's been said that a lot of people in BOA are doing jobs they're not really qualified for. Richardson rewarded loyalty rather than ability (hence why we have Marty Hurney back).

A good housecleaning was probably needed, and Gettleman would have been the right guy to do it, but he didn't. He could be all business with players, but he didn't apply that same method to the people he worked with in the front office.

Of course, while that would have been the right thing to do, knowing what we know now it probably would have just meant that Jerry Richardson would have fired him even quicker.

Bottom Line: For the second time in team history, Jerry Richardson parted ways with a successful GM for running the team like a business rather than a family. That's a terrible approach, but the posts people keep making about Steve Smith, etc support that approach.

Stop valuing individual players above the team. It's a losing mentality.

[Icege]

9 hours ago, top dawg said:

Any GM would have drafted Star when he dropped to us with the position that we were in, so he doesn't really get credit for that in my book, but, yes, KK was a stud.

You say that Hurney's picks played a major role in the SB trip (which I addressed another poster in a different thread showing how we had double the amount of GM players on the roster than Hurney as well as a majority of the starters were GM players)... and then say GM doesn't get credit for Star?

If that's the case, how does Hurney get credit for Cam? How does he get credit for trading a 3rd for Olsen? That is inconsistent as Hell Both get credit for what they have done.

Gettleman had as much success in half of the time that Hurney had, and did it while rebuilding a mess of a salary cap (which Hurney didn't have to do when he started).

The worst thing that Gettleman did was let JNo walk. It altered the draft and resulted in the team drafting needs instead of BPA outside of the first. That sucked ass.

All of the pieces that folks were screaming for we have now. LT? We rocked with Oher and then drafted Moton. RT? DWill. Weapons for Cam? KB, Funchess, Samuel, CMC, while also finding Byrd in UDFA.

I had better see folks calling this Gettleman's roster still for the next 2 seasons. The lack of consistency is almost as maddening as the Panthers not being able to have back to back winning seasons.

[top dawg]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Stop valuing individual players above the team. It's a losing mentality.

Football is perhaps the ultimate team sport.  As such,  there has to be a good understanding of team building and chemistry.  Teams are made up of individual players,  so it's true that overvaluing individual players is a losing mentality,  but undervaluing players leaves one ass-out as well.  There must be a compromise. Setting hard rules and numbers, as opposed to a margin where there can be some compromise does not necessarily take you where you want to go either. 

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Football is perhaps the ultimate team sport.  As such,  there has to be a good understanding of team building and chemistry.  Teams are made up of individual players,  so it's true that overvaluing individual players is a losing mentality,  but undervaluing players leaves one ass-out as well.  There must be a compromise. Setting hard rules and numbers, as opposed to a margin where there can be some compromise does not necessarily take you where you want to go either. 

You have to value ability, not sentiment.

Maybe with Richardson gone we can get that now.

[MCC]

The biggest difference is last night is that the large majority of DG's 1st and 2nd round picks are not on the field very often, if at all. That falls on Gettleman 100% and shows he wasn't the greatest talent evaluater. 

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

There is no hope for the Gettleman homers. Somehow the recent playoff loss where Cam once again had to put the team on his back only strengthened their resolve.

I missed that little gem.  LOL

[TheRed]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Defending Richardson...Funny 

We had one discussion where you said Gettleman was responsible for this roster. When we went 11-5 and made the playoffs, then you said he wasn't. Now that we lost the playoff game, you're back to saying he is. And yes, I can link those posts if you want.

This pattern tells me that either you're trolling or you just can't keep your argument straight. 

Either way it means your posts are more suited to being made fun of than actually debating.

 

Why are you so hung up on such a pointless detail?

You're not unintelligent. I assume you want a Lombardi trophy like me. So stop trying to deflect and make excuses for mismanagement. We need better all around. Better than JR, better than Gettleman, and better than the status quo that has been Hurney.

[heel31ok]

23 minutes ago, MCC said:

The biggest difference is last night is that the large majority of DG's 1st and 2nd round picks are not on the field very often, if at all. That falls on Gettleman 100% and shows he wasn't the greatest talent evaluater. 

the biggest difference and the reason we lost is because of all the non player personnel that DG didn't get rid of while he was here...

[Mr. Scot]

14 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Why are you so hung up on such a pointless detail?

You're not unintelligent. I assume you want a Lombardi trophy like me. So stop trying to deflect and make excuses for mismanagement. We need better all around. Better than JR, better than Gettleman, and better than the status quo that has been Hurney.

You changing your tune repeatedly is a pointless detail?

Okay.

As to needing change, the change that's been most needed for a long long time is ownership. Nothing was ever going to change as long as we had a guy who valued loyalty more than ability and feelings over winning.

Now that Richardson is gone, I have optimism that other problems might actually get fixed too.

[Dingo_ate_Babies]

Gettleman failed us this past offseason with his signings. See:

- Matt Kalil

- Swapping Ted Ginn for Russell Shepard

- Captain Munnerlyn

- Charles Johnson

 

[stratocatter]

I feel like Gettleman wrecked 2016 with the Norman fiasco and not only 2016 but beyond with his draft.

Hell I wouldn't have paid Norman but we had him and we had time to transition. Correct course was to play Norman under the tag then let him get paid elsewhere while drafting the best CB you could in the draft and giving the guy a year before he is thrown out there to fill Norman's shoes.

Surely there was some position that we could have addressed with two of those three picks that he threw at CB. I saw him pontificating about not shopping hungry up there in NY last week and just rolled my eyes.

[TheRed]

2 minutes ago, stratocatter said:

Surely there was some position that we could have addressed with two of those three picks that he threw at CB. I saw him pontificating about not shopping hungry up there in NY last week and just rolled my eyes.

He's dripping with bluster and ego.

If you want the honest truth, we should have been making a run in 2016. Not only did he drop the ball in 2016, but in 2017 also. Unacceptable.