The Failure of the Gettleman era in Carolina. Close, but no cigar. [Don't want to read a mini rant, don't open!]

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, Cartel de Carolina said:

Jerry could have told him to spend money this past offseason. 

Every GM misses on draft picks. 

Samuel could have replaced Ginn if not for injury. 

There was no way we were keeping Norman. That kind of money is reserved for more important positions. Letting him walk and getting a 3rd was the right thing to do.

 

I wholeheartedly disagree that letting J-No walk was the right thing to do.  It was dumb, unprecedented, and the whole league raised an eyebrow when his tag was rescinded.  Moreover,  seeing as how our defensive backfield has sucked against some big-time opposition this season and last season,  you're still going to suggest to me that CB is not "important?" Didn't I tell you in my original post how off-the-mark that philosophy is in terms of building a championship? I suppose trotting out two rookies and seeing them be roasted was acceptable to you. I don't recall a champion winning a conference title,  much less a championship with not one,  but two questionable CBs.  Dave crapped the bed, panicked, and over-drafted three corners that as of this point have not even proved that they handle the responsibility of being a starter in the league,  much less replace a top corner in the league. 

The GOAT talent evaluator, who pats himself on the back at every turn should never miss in such fashion. He's supposed to acquire guys that will make a team better, not worse. Of course I'm being facetious, but Dave's overall draft record is not indicative of a team-building guru.  

Samuel was drafted to play in the slot.  He wasn't drafted to replace Ginn. He was/is raw and unseasoned. To think that he would replace Ginn at that time was a pipe dream, but,  like I said, he wasn't supposed to be Ginn's successor. 

[Cartel de Carolina]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

I wholeheartedly disagree that letting J-No walk was the right thing to do.  It was dumb, unprecedented, and the whole league raised an eyebrow when his tag was rescinded.  Moreover,  seeing as how our defensive backfield has sucked against some big-time opposition this season and last season,  you're still going to suggest to me that CB is not "important?" Didn't I tell you in my original post how off-the-mark that philosophy is in terms of building a championship? I suppose trotting out two rookies and seeing them be roasted was acceptable to you. I don't recall a champion winning a conference title,  much less a championship with not one,  but two questionable CBs.  Dave crapped the bed, panicked, and over-drafted three corners that as of this point have not even proved that they handle the responsibility of being a starter in the league,  much less replace a top corner in the league. 

The GOAT talent evaluator, who pats himself on the back at every turn should never miss in such fashion. He's supposed to acquire guys that will make a team better, not worse. Of course I'm being facetious, but Dave's overall draft record is not indicative of a team-building guru.  

Samuel was drafted to play in the slot.  He wasn't drafted to replace Ginn. He was/is raw and unseasoned. To think that he would replace Ginn at that time was a pipe dream, but,  like I said, he wasn't supposed to be Ginn's successor. 

You think we should drop insane money on a CB? Norman was looking to be the highest paid CB. 

Son lol

Just no. Hell naw. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I wholeheartedly disagree that letting J-No walk was the right thing to do.  It was dumb, unprecedented, and the whole league raised an eyebrow when his tag was rescinded.  Moreover,  seeing as how our defensive backfield has sucked against some big-time opposition this season and last season,  you're still going to suggest to me that CB is not "important?" Didn't I tell you in my original post how off-the-mark that philosophy is in terms of building a championship? I suppose trotting out two rookies and seeing them be roasted was acceptable to you. I don't recall a champion winning a conference title,  much less a championship with not one,  but two questionable CBs.  Dave crapped the bed, panicked, and over-drafted three corners that as of this point have not even proved that they handle the responsibility of being a starter in the league,  much less replace a top corner in the league. 

The GOAT talent evaluator, who pats himself on the back at every turn should never miss in such fashion. He's supposed to acquire guys that will make a team better, not worse. Of course I'm being facetious, but Dave's overall draft record is not indicative of a team-building guru.  

Samuel was drafted to play in the slot.  He wasn't drafted to replace Ginn. He was/is raw and unseasoned. To think that he would replace Ginn at that time was a pipe dream, but,  like I said, he wasn't supposed to be Ginn's successor. 

"Should never miss" is a stupid and unrealistic standard to hold anybody to. Heck, Ozzie Newsome misses plenty (where are the Ravens these days).

As to that philosophy you don't like where the secondary is less important than the pass rush, I'm guessing you don't know where that comes from. Hint: It's not the GM. No GM in the league sets coaching philosophy.

Bottom Line: Gettleman's time here (which per your own post, includes this season) it's far and away the most successful stretch this team ever had. You can be as pissy as you want about him cutting players you like or not signing players you wanted but that won't change the facts.

It's over. Quit going on emotional rants about this stuff and move on.

[Khaki Lackey]

11 hours ago, Smithers said:

We need 3 CBs, 2 Safety’s, a LB, a LT, RB, 2 WRs and you want to be the coaches

If a coach needs a pro bowler at every position to win, then sure. 

I believe that there are several coaching staffs that could win playoff games with this roster.

[top dawg]

16 minutes ago, Cartel de Carolina said:

You think we should drop insane money on a CB? Norman was looking to be the highest paid CB. 

Son lol

Just no. Hell naw. 

 

You let the man play on the tag, like normal and acceptable, try and work things out (because you absolutely know that he wanted to stay a Panther), but if there just can't be a meeting of the minds,  then you draft Marshon Lattimore (like I really thought we were going to do because he basically fell to us [just like Star did] and was perfect for the situation ). Simple as hell, right? 

As an aside, the cap rises  for a reason every year. The market for certain positions fluctuates sometimes,  but in general salaries rise. I get tired of hearing huddlers acting like no corner or receiver should be paid 10-15$ mil per year. The market is changing so you can't be a cheapskate at every turn. 

[TheRed]

There is no hope for the Gettleman homers. Somehow the recent playoff loss where Cam once again had to put the team on his back only strengthened their resolve.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

There is no hope for the Gettleman homers. Somehow that playoff game where Cam once again had to put the team on his back only strengthened their resolve.

I saw now that we lost, you're changing your tune and putting this season's roster back on Gettleman again.

Nice to know you're consistent.

[top dawg]

11 minutes ago, Khaki Lackey said:

If a coach needs a pro bowler at every position to win, then sure. 

I believe that there are several coaching staffs that could win playoff games with this roster.

I doubt it.  Cam tried his best to win this year, and if he couldn't do it, no one could.  The receiving corps was too banged up, and his protection was the same as it always was (that is) .  I think you just don't realize how much our defensive backfield sucked either.  I just don't  think we'd have won it all without Cam playing otherworldly and players playing above their talent level. 

[TheRed]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I saw now that we lost, you're changing your tune and putting this season's roster back on Gettleman again.

Nice to know you're consistent.

Where have I said the failure of not retaining Ginn and throwing 50 million at Matt Kalil wasn't on Gettleman?

Scot I'm just going to be blunt here, get your poo together and stop groveling like a manchild. You're no better than the buffoons who are still defending JR.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Where have I said the failure of not retaining Ginn and throwing 50 million at Matt Kalil wasn't on Gettleman?

Scot I'm just going to be blunt here, get your poo together and stop groveling like a manchild. You're no better than the buffoons who are still defending JR.

Defending Richardson...Funny 

We had one discussion where you said Gettleman was responsible for this roster. When we went 11-5 and made the playoffs, then you said he wasn't. Now that we lost the playoff game, you're back to saying he is. And yes, I can link those posts if you want.

This pattern tells me that either you're trolling or you just can't keep your argument straight. 

Either way it means your posts are more suited to being made fun of than actually debating.

 

[top dawg]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

"Should never miss" is a stupid and unrealistic standard to hold anybody to. Heck, Ozzie Newsome misses plenty (where are the Ravens these days).

As to that philosophy you don't like where the secondary is less important than the pass rush, I'm guessing you don't know where that comes from. Hint: It's not the GM. No GM in the league sets coaching philosophy.

Bottom Line: Gettleman's time here (which per your own post, includes this season) it's far and away the most successful stretch this team ever had. You can be as pissy as you want about him cutting players you like or not signing players you wanted but that won't change the facts.

It's over. Quit going on emotional rants about this stuff and move on.

Didn't I kind of say that in a tongue-in-cheek manner? I know that the nuances of communication can be totally lost via the Internet,  but damn,  Scot! 

Just like I can stop being "pissy" about G-man,  you can stop telling me what a wonderful GM that he was as the Panthers' head man. I have plenty of evidence to the contrary.  That should be "over" too. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

Didn't I kind of say that in a tongue-in-cheek manner? I know that the nuances of communication can be totally lost via the Internet,  but damn,  Scot! 

Just like I can stop being "pissy" about G-man,  you can stop telling me what a wonderful GM that he was as the Panthers' head man. I have plenty of evidence to the contrary.  That should be "over" too. 

Emotional rants don't count as evidence. Neither does anything that ignores this was our most successful period in team history.

If you want to look around for a thread I've started about Gettleman recently, you won't find one. I actually am moving on. The fact that you felt the need to go on a long rant about him tells me you're probably not.

[top dawg]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Emotional rants don't count as evidence. Neither does anything that ignores this was our most successful period in team history.

If you want to look around for a thread I've started about Gettleman recently, you won't find one. I actually am moving on. The fact that you felt the need to go on a long rant about him tells me you're probably not.

Within this thread,  I have provided plenty of reasoning for what I  believe and why I believe it, even if it is with some emotion. So don't get it twisted.  

With so many people starting threads about Gettleman, you don't have to,  but you still chime in (as is your right), so if you've completely moved on,  then you will do so. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Within this thread,  I have provided plenty of reasoning for what I  believe and why I believe it, even if it is with some emotion. So don't get it twisted.  

With so many people starting threads about Gettleman, you don't have to,  but you still chime in (as is your right), so if you've completely moved on,  then you will do so. 

I have a weakness for arguing with silly statements.

Sometime when you have a moment, take a look back and count how many Gettleman threads you've started. 

After that, rent Frozen and listen to the main theme song, repeatedly.

With the team set to be sold now, there will be plenty of actually relevant things to discuss, so let it go.