The Failure of the Gettleman era in Carolina. Close, but no cigar. [Don't want to read a mini rant, don't open!]

[Cartel de Carolina]

4 minutes ago, The Natural said:

 I love the "meddling owner" excuse is ONLY used for his blunders. Any positives were all Gettlemagic! Maybe JR controlled everything? Every draft pick and every contract. Hurney and Gettleman were just faces for the public. Richardson was probably doing the scouting as well. 

Only blunders for me were signing Khalil to a high contract and a few draft picks I would choose different. 

Would not have let Ginn go as well. 

Overall, I was pleased with DG. Really like his no nonsense approach business 1st approach. 

There is no perfect GM who doesn't make errors. 

Now with Hurney he will probably sign Olsen and Davis and Stewart to max contracts lol bc of loyalty and feels. 

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

24 minutes ago, The Natural said:

 I love the "meddling owner" excuse is ONLY used for his blunders. Any positives were all Gettlemagic! Maybe JR controlled everything? Every draft pick and every contract. Hurney and Gettleman were just faces for the public. Richardson was probably doing the scouting as well. 

So based on this response, I'm gonna assume that if anyone says Hurney's ridiculous contracts were mandated by Richardson, you'll disagree with that notion.

Correct?

[The Natural]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So based on this response, I'm gonna assume that if anyone says Hurney's ridiculous contracts were mandated by Richardson, you'll disagree with that notion.

Correct?

 Sure, because I'm of the opinion that neither were good GM's so I feel no need to defend either of them.

[Cartel de Carolina]

14 minutes ago, The Natural said:

 Sure, because I'm of the opinion that neither were good GM's so I feel no need to defend either of them.

Who are these good GMs that have a unblemished record of success?

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, Cartel de Carolina said:

Only blunders for me were signing Khalil to a high contract and a few draft picks I would choose different. 

Would not have let Ginn go as well. 

Overall, I was pleased with DG. Really like his no nonsense approach business 1st approach. 

There is no perfect GM who doesn't make errors. 

Now with Hurney he will probably sign Olsen and Davis and Stewart to max contracts lol bc of loyalty and feels. 

 

 

There someone goes with a Hurney reference again...

Anyway!

Signing Kalil like he was a top 10 LT, making several suspect picks in the draft, and letting Ginn walk without really addressing the void, much less upgrading the position (all while your window to win a championship was wide open) is not some small blunder.  The way that J-No was handled was odd, oddly timed, unprecedented and badly mismanaged. But go ahead and lessen the extent of the reverberations if it makes you and others feel better.

[CPantherKing]

A monkey could have fixed the cap issue. It was already set up to ride out the 2013 and 2014 seasons behind the core built in 2011 and 2012 with little to no work.

[Cartel de Carolina]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

There someone goes with a Hurney reference again...

Anyway!

Signing Kalil like he was a top 10 LT, making several suspect picks in the draft, and letting Ginn walk without really addressing the void, much less upgrading the position (all while your window to win a championship was wide open) is not some small blunder.  The way that J-No was handled was odd, oddly timed, unprecedented and badly mismanaged. But go ahead and lessen the extent of the reverberations if it makes you and others feel better.

Jerry could have told him to spend money this past offseason. 

Every GM misses on draft picks. 

Samuel could have replaced Ginn if not for injury. 

There was no way we were keeping Norman. That kind of money is reserved for more important positions. Letting him walk and getting a 3rd was the right thing to do.

 

[Cartel de Carolina]

And as I asked the other poster, what other GM is blemish free?

[Jmac]

This franchise is the poster boy 'for close but no cigar. Twenty plus years of mediocrity. The only constant factor has been the ownership. Don't blame anyone but the ownership and the culture of this team.

[Doc Holiday]

9 hours ago, Khaki Lackey said:

Coaching is a way bigger problem than personnel.

It’s not, it’s not even close.

[Cartel de Carolina]

13 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

It’s not, it’s not even close.

I take it you haven't looked in depth on Shula's play design and situational calling?

[juliosantos]

well said , thats the truth about gettleman . great personality but neglected our needs . we were so close to a sb run when we had norman all we needed was to go out spend money and build around that team and we let players walk and got hurt meanwhile the saints that never have cap space managed to fix their defense in one year . 

[fjblair]

Fat man was a failure and that was obvious from early in his tenure. In over his head and too much ego. He was a fuging dud of a GM. 

[bLACKpANTHER]

12 hours ago, bobsfoodbasics said:

There is a reason he got another GM position 6 months after being fired while Hurney sat on his ass for 5 years without a sniff.

DG was definitely not an issue.

agree with the 1st part.. disagree with the second..

he was a genius in the FA bargin bin market - but truly fugged us over in certain areas (LT, DE, CB, WR, RB) for sure.. no long term solutions - only stop gaps that fit the system for a year and then fizzled out