Lamar Jackson Has Declared for The NFL Draft

[LinvilleGorge]

25 minutes ago, brandon_87 said:

Not at all, stating people said Wilson wasn't a NFL Quarterback and look how he turned out. Jackson reminds me more of Vick then anything, but I'd love to have him here

My point was that the two aren’t comparable at all, regardless of what people may have said about both.

Vick is a pretty apt comparison, though Jackson isn’t quite the athlete Vick was which isn’t exactly a knock on him. Vick was probably one of the best pure athletes to ever suit up.

[rayzor]

7 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

 

Its hard to see Gettleman drafting a QB other than Rosen

i read this and immediately thought, "why would we be drafting a QB early?" and then it dawned on me...*sigh*

[brandon_87]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

My point was that the two aren’t comparable at all, regardless of what people may have said about both.

Vick is a pretty apt comparison, though Jackson isn’t quite the athlete Vick was which isn’t exactly a knock on him. Vick was probably one of the best pure athletes to ever suit up.

You're one of "those" huddlers...

 

 

Dude... I'm saying what so called draft experts said about him as a player, not comparing the players head to head cuz they aren't even close.

 

And the Vick part is what I view him as, not saying he will or will not be the same 

[LinvilleGorge]

16 minutes ago, brandon_87 said:

You're one of "those" huddlers...

 

 

Dude... I'm saying what so called draft experts said about him as a player, not comparing the players head to head cuz they aren't even close.

 

And the Vick part is what I view him as, not saying he will or will not be the same 

My condolences regarding your mental density and that you can’t understand why it’s irrelevant that “draft experts” said similar things about two players that aren’t similar at all. You might as well bring up LBs or WRs who they said weren’t NFL players despite being successful collegiate players as a comparison. There isn’t a comparison there, period. Stick with the Vick thing. You have a valid argument there.

[brandon_87]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

My condolences regarding your mental density and that you can’t understand why it’s irrelevant that “draft experts” said similar things about two players that aren’t similar at all. You might as well bring up LBs or WRs who they said weren’t NFL players despite being successful collegiate players as a comparison. There isn’t a comparison there, period. Stick with the Vick thing. You have a valid argument there.

Ok, you're trying to overanalyze this, I agree with you.  but I also don't give a poo what draft experts say... Draft experts said Blake Bottles and Jake Locker were going to be good, as well as Clausen... I knew they wouldn't but I don't get paid for my opinion like they do.   They have no clue what they are talking about and my initial comment was being sarcastic, I don't know where you're from, but I apologize if you have to make everything serious on a fugass message board. 

[Killa Cam 69]

He will be a stud nfl qb

[bewonee]

8 hours ago, Mikey815 said:

I doubt he times better than 4.6 at the combine. He was 4.77 coming out of high school per ESPN recruiting site. Hand times are not believable

Wtf did you just say Cam was faster than Jackson? Calm down dude. Every  site puts him at worst at a 4.5. A 4.6 is if he injures himself like Teez Tabor or something. He has clocked low 4.3s on three occasions and even if hand times aren't trust worthy there is absolutely no way that they missed it by THAT much.

[cookinbrak]

If he was still there in the middle of the 2nd (he won't be), I'd trade our 2 3's to move up for him.

[Saca312]

14 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's not an NFL QB 

Lol.

Lamar Jackson is literally the Cam Newton of this draft. Underrated passing ability and people disregard how good he is at going through his progressions and moving in the pocket.

He’s going to make a good team very happy when they select and start him. Lamar’s got a lot of talent people overlook.

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Lol.

Lamar Jackson is literally the Cam Newton of this draft. Underrated passing ability and people disregard how good he is at going through his progressions and moving in the pocket.

He’s going to make a good team very happy when they select and start him. Lamar’s got a lot of talent people overlook.

He's never had a 60%+ college season. Sub-60% college QBs almost never workout in the NFL. Completion percentage almost always takes a hit in the jump from college to the NFL. Literally no one disregards how good he is at moving in the pocket but he's a subpar collegiate passer. 

Honestly, off the top of my head Vick is probably the only sub-60% college passer who I can think of who went on to have what could be considered a successful NFL career as a QB. Most NFL teams see a sub 60% completion percentage as a HUGE red flag. Guys like Ryan Leaf, Jake Locker, and Christian Hackenberg are classic sub 60% busts. Honestly, there isn't a ton of them because most of them don't get drafted. 

[Saca312]

15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's never had a 60%+ college season. Sub-60% college QBs almost never workout in the NFL. Completion percentage almost always takes a hit in the jump from college to the NFL. Literally no one disregards how good he is at moving in the pocket but he's a subpar collegiate passer. 

His supporting cast is Cam’s supporting cast right now, but even Lamar elevates it to somewhat be competent. Same arguments people use for Cam here can easily be applied to Lamar.

Completion percentage is one of the worst stats to evaluate true QB accuracy tbh. Never accounts for overall supporting cast talent level, scheme, or the such. Everyone here knows Cam’s a far better passer than his completion percentage suggests, and that’s most certainly the same for Lamar.

Decent twitter thread evaluating Lamar Jackson over the course of this season:

As far as my opinion, I will accept he has issues with bouts of inaccuracy, sort of like Cam, but that does not make him completely inaccurate overall. His bowl game was a perfect example of an outlier and something Cam’s inconsistent days would look like, as he missed a few throws he normally makes.

And that really comes down to coaching and experience, and really Lamar’s issues with said accuracy can easily be coached up and fixed mechanically, unlike Darnold whose accuracy issues stems further than simply mechanics and coaching.

[LinvilleGorge]

I think someone will take Jackson far too early due to his physical talent and that he'll be a bust. He may have some fleeting success like RG3 and Kaepernick had but ultimately it won't last. I agree with you regarding completion percentagw in theory, but the failure rate of QBs who are sub 60% in their final college season is just too strong to ignore. It's a near guarantee that the guy won't translate to the NFL. Vick is the only guy I can think of off the top of my head who bucked that trend and as great of an athlete as Jackson is, he's no Vick.

[Saca312]

An analyst’s scout report of him.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

As far as "coaching up" and fixing accuracy issues... by the time a guy has played as much football as someone who is entertaining he NFL draft that throwing motion and habits are really, really hard to break, especially under the stress of a game situation. A lot was made of The Golden Calf of Bristol's new throwing motion leading up to the draft. It didn't stick. Both Rivers and Stafford tried to convince NFL teams that they could fix their sidearm motions. They both still sidearm it. Cam still throws off of his back foot a lot and relies on pure arm strength too much instead of driving the ball with his lower body and he almost certainly always will. These guys have thrown a football probably tens of thousands of times by the time they're drafted and that's just too much muscle memory to reliably overcome.

My biggest concern by far with Darnold is the fumbling. That guy will be getting strip sacked damn near every game in the NFL. I know teams are going to love his prototypical size and arm strength but I wouldn't touch him in the 1st round. 

If I was bound and determined to take a QB in the 1st I think I'd take a chance on Baker Mayfield but I think he's going to struggle some early as he adapts to the reality of playing within a system in the NFL.