Only 1 team in the last 18 years has won a SuperBowl with a receiving group as awful as ours. The 2000 Baltimore Ravens

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

He has. Numerous times. And sorry but Greg is in Gronk's league as a receiver threat. Hands down no debate at all. Where Gronk is in a league of his own is his combined expertise as a blocker and receiver. Greg is right up there as a receiving threat and a solid blocker but nowhere near the elite blocker Gronk is.

Not buying either point.  

[Icege]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

They should have done more, considering our history.  Samuel was hurt essentially all the off-season,  and Byrd is naturally smaller than one would like. 

Our original WR corps: 1st round pick (KB), x2 2nd rd picks (Funchess, Samuel), UDFA (Byrd, who is the same height as Agent 89), Free Agent (Shepherd)

Byrd is a younger Ginn with better hands, Shepherd was supposed to be a Bersin upgrade from what I can tell (though idk how you can upgrade pure greatness).

Included in that: a 1st rd RB that can be a slot guy (CMC) and Olsen.

Also, x2 3rd picks for the OL (Pro Bowler Turner + Daryll Gott Dayum Williams), UDFA (All-Pro Norwell). Also, a 2nd rd pick (Moton) and a former top 5 draft pick signed as a free agent (Kalil).

I just hate this narrative that the offense has been ignored. It's like people forgot about the cap trouble that the team was in and have ignored picks because we didn't get a specific player in the draft that turned out to be a beast.

With everything that has been invested in the offensive side of the ball, the issue comes down to utilization and scheme. Give a competent OC these players and we are looking at the current WR group without much concern because we know that they'll be put in positions to succeed rather than trying to be forced into a role they aren't meant for (Bersin screens, anyone?).

[TheRed]

12 minutes ago, Icege said:

Start of the season: Benjamin, Funchess, Samuel, Byrd, Shepherd

-KB traded
-Samuel injured
-Byrd injured

End of the season: Funchess, Shepherd, Clay, Bersin, Frazier

Perspective is important.

Injuries obviously can't be planned for, but Gettleman let our deep threat walk twice and tried to replace him with a rookie or a jag, and both times it backfired. Stevie Wonder could have seen that was a significant gamble. It blew up in our faces spectacularly. That's on the FO. No sugar coating it.

I would have rather kept KB the rest of this season, but I honestly don't think that loss would have been very big if we still at least had Ginn.

I get that some of us can be homers, but if you're a fan that wants a Lombardi trophy, you can't rationalize the ineptitude our FO has displayed over the years in relation to the WR core.

[top dawg]

8 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

Byrd is basically the same size as Smitty at this point, and way bigger than DeSean Jackson, who many have clamored for here. And come on... Samuel getting hurt well after the draft and FA had no bearing on moves that could've been made at WR when there were actual options available.

D-Jax has his injury history.  Smitty was and is naturally bigger than Byrd.  His calves are humongous for any size,  really.  He is just bigger. There were and are options. V-Jax is on the couch. Philly is on the couch.  They have to be better than doing nothing. 

[TheRed]

Who remembers Tiquan Underwood? Gettleman tried to replace Ginn with him in 2014. Didn't go so well....

Fast forward to 2017, once again Gettleman tries to replace Ginn, this time with Shepard and Johnson. We know how that turned out.

So you guys can actually say this is alright when we have a Super Bowl ready core that is only getting older?

Man I try to be understanding, but some of you guys are way too eager to cling to mediocrity.

[top dawg]

10 minutes ago, Icege said:

Our original WR corps: 1st round pick (KB), x2 2nd rd picks (Funchess, Samuel), UDFA (Byrd, who is the same height as Agent 89), Free Agent (Shepherd)

Byrd is a younger Ginn with better hands, Shepherd was supposed to be a Bersin upgrade from what I can tell (though idk how you can upgrade pure greatness).

Included in that: a 1st rd RB that can be a slot guy (CMC) and Olsen.

Also, x2 3rd picks for the OL (Pro Bowler Turner + Daryll Gott Dayum Williams), UDFA (All-Pro Norwell). Also, a 2nd rd pick (Moton) and a former top 5 draft pick signed as a free agent (Kalil).

I just hate this narrative that the offense has been ignored. It's like people forgot about the cap trouble that the team was in and have ignored picks because we didn't get a specific player in the draft that turned out to be a beast.

With everything that has been invested in the offensive side of the ball, the issue comes down to utilization and scheme. Give a competent OC these players and we are looking at the current WR group without much concern because we know that they'll be put in positions to succeed rather than trying to be forced into a role they aren't meant for (Bersin screens, anyone?).

I wasn't  talking offense,  I was talking WR. I think the results of pretty much the last decade speak for themselves.  Matt Kalil was not the best option (I'm tired of that narrative). The fact is that WR and LT have been neglected by trying to fill the positions on the cheap for many years now.  

[top dawg]

And by "cheap," I'm not talking money.

[t96]

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

D-Jax has his injury history.  Smitty was and is naturally bigger than Byrd.  His calves are humongous for any size,  really.  He is just bigger. There were and are options. V-Jax is on the couch. Philly is on the couch.  They have to be better than doing nothing. 

Oh boy, Top Dawg advocating for Philly Brown!!!

 

Jackson is on his couch for a reason, he sucks at this point. He has nothing left to offer. There really just aren't real options on their couches right now that could contribute. They would need to learn the offense and try to develop chemistry with Cam, and even with all that aside, the players available just aren't very good. Maybe, yes, there are guys who are more talented than Bersin, etc. But would they actually be able to contribute in our offense and develop chemistry with Cam this quickly? No. Philly is the only one, and while I don't think he ever developed into a great option even as a #3 (decent #3/#4 who was clutch in the playoffs but didn't improve like I had hoped for and expected), he did have solid chemistry with Cam and had gained Cam's trust. I think clearly there is a different dynamic going on with him, because the coaching staff clearly thought he was better than Bersin and even Byrd for years, that wouldn't just suddenly change. I feel it's possible Philly had some opinions on the protesting that JR didn't like which was a factor in his estrangement. Because otherwise it'd be a no-brainer to take him back, especially after all the injuries and KB's trade (including Funch, who has clearly been very limited the past several games).

[TheRed]

The fans that find some sort of bizarre consolation in defending Gettleman while we field the worst WR corps in the NFL are completely beyond displaying the capability of any rational discourse. There is no reasoning with someone that is okay with losing to the point they will rationalize failed moves even as things crumble around them. Losing has been such a normal part of this franchise for so many years that some of you have seemingly become accustomed to it. It's sad.

[Still Brooklyn]

8 hours ago, CamMoon said:

Keenan McCardell 

Givens

Patten

Toomer

Henderson

Manningham

Nicks

Lafell

Hogan

 

Yeah ... no.

[GoobyPls]

6 hours ago, Mage said:

Olsen, Funchess, and Mac is def as good as Manningham and Nicks. 

Nah they had Victor Cruz also

 

Nicks had multiple 1000 yard seasons

[LA_Panther]

1 hour ago, thomas96 said:

Gronk isn't a legit threat, he's a complementary piece. It's that simple.

Gronk is a #1 WR on our team if we line him up 

[Icege]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

Injuries obviously can't be planned for, but Gettleman let our deep threat walk twice and tried to replace him with a rookie or a jag, and both times it backfired. Stevie Wonder could have seen that was a significant gamble. It blew up in our faces spectacularly. That's on the FO. No sugar coating it.

I would have rather kept KB the rest of this season, but I honestly don't think that loss would have been very big if we still at least had Ginn.

I get that some of us can be homers, but if you're a fan that wants a Lombardi trophy, you can't rationalize the ineptitude our FO has displayed over the years in relation to the WR core.

Ginn didn't do much for San Francisco when GM let him walk, and Philly Brown + Stephen Hill were looked at as possible Ginn replacements. Underwood never even made the roster, so I don't think that it's reasonable to insinuate that he was the answer.

I didn't like letting Ginn walk either (both times), but with both Samuel AND Byrd healthy (can't account for injuries, nobody is psychic) I can see the reason behind it. I hated the KB trade as well, but aside from that I don't think Hurney has done too terrible of a job with the WRs. Our 2015 WRs were abysmal after losing KB, but we ended up going to the Super Bowl. In the grand scheme of things though, I just don't see how the FO dropped the ball. If Samuel and Byrd stay healthy, they look like geniuses as we have two speedsters then. Since both were hurt for most of the season and then got hurt at the end as they were starting to come on, the FO failed? Some things just happen due to chance.

[TheRed]

Just now, Icege said:

Ginn didn't do much for San Francisco when GM let him walk, and Philly Brown + Stephen Hill were looked at as possible Ginn replacements. Underwood never even made the roster, so I don't think that it's reasonable to insinuate that he was the answer.

I didn't like letting Ginn walk either (both times), but with both Samuel AND Byrd healthy (can't account for injuries, nobody is psychic) I can see the reason behind it. I hated the KB trade as well, but aside from that I don't think Hurney has done too terrible of a job with the WRs. In the grand scheme of things though, I just don't see how the FO dropped the ball. If Samuel and Byrd stay healthy, they look like geniuses as we have two speedsters then. Since both were hurt for most of the season and then got hurt at the end as they were starting to come on, the FO failed? Some things just happen due to chance.

The theme is dumpster diving when we had a Super Bowl core. DG struck gold a few times but he kept going back to the well expecting the same results. On top of that he threw 50 million at Matt Kalil. I gave Gettleman the benefit of the doubt in 2016 after he let Norman walk. He disappointed. The last 2 offseasons were 1 step forward and 2 steps back. Not everything was on him, I'm not arguing that. But what we could control, we didn't do well enough. That's the reality. Both Gettleman and Hurney orchestrated moves that helped this team significantly, they also had their share of gaffes that unequivocally hurt us. We need better.