Do You Think Christian McCaffrey will Ever Learn How To Break Tackles?

[Mikey815]

7 minutes ago, TheRed said:

This team doesn't have the luxury of waiting. Our division is only getting tougher. We have the core to make a run now, and they're getting older. It's all hands on deck. If we want a Lombardi trophy, and not yet another season squandered, it's up to CMC and Stew to help carry us to the promised land. Without a run game we're toast.

Give him 15-20 carries from the I formation and he will do the job . Cam can then use play action He excelled at that at Stanford 

[Toomers]

25 minutes ago, Mikey815 said:

I followed cmc from his freshman year to his record breaking sophomore season and to his final season. During his record season he had very good line blocking and a good qb in Hogan He was used more as an all purpose big play weapon and wasn’t asked to run goaline or short yardage since they had a short yardage back. In his final season he became much more of a between tackles pure rb. They did not have a good o line or a good qb. He faced many 8 man boxes but still managed to improve his ypc and did goaline work.He seemed much stronger , never fumbled and moved the chains. They did use a fb to help blocking. I think he can continue to improve between the tackles and become a great all purpose back.

That was college. Means nothing. Just like stats. NFL players are bringing him down with alarming ease. That has to change if he is going to be a 20+ touch/game player.

[Mikey815]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

That was college. Means nothing. Just like stats. NFL players are bringing him down with alarming ease. That has to change if he is going to be a 20+ touch/game player.

He’s averaging 7 carries per game which tells you nothing Anytime he’s gotten over 10 carries he’s done well 

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Mikey815 said:

He’s averaging 7 carries per game which tells you nothing Anytime he’s gotten over 10 carries he’s done well 

  I’ve said that he should have gotten a chance by now. But that’s not the point. I don’t care how many carries he has. The ones he does, he gets tackled by one hand and as someone said “rag dolled “ on more than one occasion. How many times did that happen in the PAC 12? You keep wanting to take things away from a player like Fournette(long runs) while trying to ignore any struggles CMC has had by chalking them up to his lack of carries. Which we have no idea if he could handle  from an injury standpoint. Obviously the coaches don’t think so. But, to be fair, they have been wrong before.

[Mikey815]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

  I’ve said that he should have gotten a chance by now. But that’s not the point. I don’t care how many carries he has. The ones he does, he gets tackled by one hand and as someone said “rag dolled “ on more than one occasion. How many times did that happen in the PAC 12? You keep wanting to take things away from a player like Fournette(long runs) while trying to ignore any struggles CMC has had by chalking them up to his lack of carries. Which we have no idea if he could handle  from an injury standpoint. Obviously the coaches don’t think so. But, to be fair, they have been wrong before.

Well I know he wants more carries as he said so to Steve young after the Monday  night game but I don’t think it’s gonna happen at carolina 

[Toomers]

8 minutes ago, Mikey815 said:

Well I know he wants more carries as he said so to Steve young after the Monday  night game but I don’t think it’s gonna happen at carolina 

Then earn them. What happened to his PR ability. He basically lost that job mid season. That was part of his “value” when selecting him that high. Why isn’t he capable of being effective at that? You want more. Earn it. The main reasons he should have already gotten his chance is Stew was playing awful so there was nothing to lose. And they needed to find out if he could handle it. Even if he can’t, he still the very good player he is now. Again nothing to lose. But he hasn’t done much at all to “demand” carries. 

[Icege]

Is Cam ever going to have a consistent completion percentage over 70%?

Like Cam having rushing yards/TDs paired with his passing yards/TDs, I think that in order to accurately measure CMC that his receiving yards/TDs (and catches) need to be included as well. Yea, a RB traditionally gets rushing yards, but if he's getting as many yards if not more than other RBs, that means he's moving it more as well. Rivera, in something that I agree with him on, values versatile players. TEs that can be WRs (Olsen). WRs that can be TEs (KB/Funch). RBs that can be WRs (CMC) and WRs that can be RBs (Samuel). QBs that can be RBs (Cam). Are we measuring Olsen on how many times he pancakes somebody in the run game, or are we hyping him up for 1k+ receiving yards?

CMC's game is elusiveness and vision. For an "undersized" rookie, I think that he's done well. Franchise records? Set. Postseason? Check that too.

I truly think that the problem to CMC, as well as Cam and the offense as a whole, is Shula. Shula has utilized CMC as a decoy, but a lack of creativity and adjusting has limited CMC's impact. Who do you think would show up more on the stat sheet and be utilized properly as an offensive playmaker? Somebody on a team where the head coach is Sean Payton and the OC is Peter Carmichael, or a team where the head coach is Ron Rivera and the OC is Mike Shula? It DOES make a difference.

It just kills me that the team is as talented as it is because like a great team with a bad manager, the manager will never be fired until the team doesn't consistently perform.

[Mikey815]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Then earn them. What happened to his PR ability. He basically lost that job mid season. That was part of his “value” when selecting him that high. Why isn’t he capable of being effective at that? You want more. Earn it. The main reasons he should have already gotten his chance is Stew was playing awful so there was nothing to lose. And they needed to find out if he could handle it. Even if he can’t, he still the very good player he is now. Again nothing to lose. But he hasn’t done much at all to “demand” carries. 

I don’t really see another back on the team who deserves more carries than him especially Stew but I think things will continue like this. The best solution is the team to trade him for a wideout or a draft pick and get the back they want. Cmc might be happier elsewhere especially if another club gives him more touches

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, Mikey815 said:

I don’t really see another back on the team who deserves more carries than him especially Stew but I think things will continue like this. The best solution is the team to trade him for a wideout or a draft pick and get the back they want. Cmc might be happier elsewhere especially if another club gives him more touches

  So you want to compound a mistake by making an even bigger one. Are you a Panthers fan or a CMC fan?  What do you think you could get after basically telling teams you don’t think he’s good a year after taking him top ten. I am seriously wandering about you? 

   You get a back compliment him. He’s perfectly capable of 15+ touches with another back getting about 15-20. That’s what people don’t understand. Not saying he’s a bust in any way. Never have. It’s the value, and the fact that one year after using a top ten pick on a RB, we still have to find a RB to shoulder a majority of the rushing load. 

[Mikey815]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

  So you want to compound a mistake by making an even bigger one. Are you a Panthers fan or a CMC fan?  What do you think you could get after basically telling teams you don’t think he’s good a year after taking him top ten. I am seriously wandering about you? 

   You get a back compliment him. He’s perfectly capable of 15+ touches with another back getting about 15-20. That’s what people don’t understand. Not saying he’s a bust in any way. Never have. It’s the value, and the fact that one year after using a top ten pick on a RB, we still have to find a RB to shoulder a majority of the rushing load. 

I am a panther fan and am disappointed on how they’re using the top pick I’m all for getting a better back

[Toomers]

25 minutes ago, Icege said:

Is Cam ever going to have a consistent completion percentage over 70%?

Like Cam having rushing yards/TDs paired with his passing yards/TDs, I think that in order to accurately measure CMC that his receiving yards/TDs (and catches) need to be included as well. Yea, a RB traditionally gets rushing yards, but if he's getting as many yards if not more than other RBs, that means he's moving it more as well. Rivera, in something that I agree with him on, values versatile players. TEs that can be WRs (Olsen). WRs that can be TEs (KB/Funch). RBs that can be WRs (CMC) and WRs that can be RBs (Samuel). QBs that can be RBs (Cam). Are we measuring Olsen on how many times he pancakes somebody in the run game, or are we hyping him up for 1k+ receiving yards?

CMC's game is elusiveness and vision. For an "undersized" rookie, I think that he's done well. Franchise records? Set. Postseason? Check that too.

I truly think that the problem to CMC, as well as Cam and the offense as a whole, is Shula. Shula has utilized CMC as a decoy, but a lack of creativity and adjusting has limited CMC's impact. Who do you think would show up more on the stat sheet and be utilized properly as an offensive playmaker? Somebody on a team where the head coach is Sean Payton and the OC is Peter Carmichael, or a team where the head coach is Ron Rivera and the OC is Mike Shula? It DOES make a difference.

It just kills me that the team is as talented as it is because like a great team with a bad manager, the manager will never be fired until the team doesn't consistently perform.

Since this is a comparison of Kamara/CMC, and Kamara had more rec yards than CMC, your rant gets a “Billy Madison” of the day. 

[Icege]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Since this is a comparison of Kamara/CMC, and Kamara had more rec yards than CMC, your rant gets a “Billy Madison” of the day. 

Okay... a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.

[Icege]

In all srsbizness tho, Kamara still has an OC that has had a top 10 offense for 10 seasons while CMC has Shula

[Wolfpredator]

9 hours ago, stbugs said:

He’s also making more people miss. He’s averaging 4.7 ypc in the second half. That’s very good. I recall people complaining that he didn’t gain any ground when he hgot hit by Linval Joseph in the Minnesota game. As if any RBs we face can get push on Star or Short.

Maybe he’ll never break a ton of tackles but the complaining about his running is comical considering how much better he’s been in the second half and how noticeably better he’s been at making people miss.

Its literally to the point that I am going to stop posting on here the rest of our season ( which could be as early as Sunday because well...Saints ).  This narrative that people are pushing around about this kid is just disgusting.  He has done great the second part of the season when the blocking was actually worth a damn.  "Wasted picked" "We shoulda got" "He is terrible" and any other negative crap you can spew out your stupid pie holes....frankly I am tired of seeing it.  THE DUDE IS A FREAKING GD ROOKIE FOR FUGS SAKE!  Give him a season or two!  Not everyone comes out of college and tears it up in the NFL in the first season.